[matsemann]

Man, I hate that they "both sides" this. "DHS says he approached with a handgun, NYT says the video shows a phone" makes it seem like just an unlucky misunderstanding. But the DHS quote clearly is a straight up lie based on video evidence, and this doesn't convey how it was a straight up execution and that all the escalation was done by the officers.

[oceansky]

It's a current event, so things will change fast.

At the same time, the Wikipedia page for ICE itself sounds a lot like a propaganda piece, with criticism as a footnote.

[tim333]

From my reading of the evidence so far it seems there was a misunderstanding. Looks like one of the ICE guys said he has a gun, took the gun but the others didn't realise the gun had been taken.

[matsemann]

Nah, "he has a gun" doesn't mean he poses a threat, especially not when maced, with 4 guys on top and hands placed on the ground. And it definitely doesn't explain why they kept firing at him even when laying dead on the ground.

The thugs created the situation, escalated the situation, and then showed their true colors. Nothing in this can be explained away by a mere misunderstanding.

And I recommend watching the videos, not just "reading the evidence". The statements made are blatant lies and you should put no stock in them.