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by gorgabal 138 days ago
> You can train a human using the exact same skills you use to train a dog.

Depending on the context, this can traumatize a human though. This idea has been the basis for both gay conversion therapy and applied behavior analysis. The latter I have had the misfortune to directly experience myself.
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grayhatter 138 days ago
You don't think those same things traumatize the dog too? There's a reason why all reputable dog trainers advocate exclusively positive training methods. It's because training with exclusively positive feedback is not only most likely to get the behavior you want. It critically avoids destabilizing the dog. Negative reinforcement learning does works, but it also leads to anxiety, and "reactionary outbursts". i.e. the dog learns to become afraid, and is more likely to bite you. Only abused dogs bite their pack in fear. Just like only abused humans attack their community.
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gorgabal 138 days ago
Agreed. I didn’t intend to specifically exclude dogs. My wording could have been better.
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nandomrumber 134 days ago
> Just like only abused humans attack their community.

Gonna have to pull you up here.

It’s estimated that approximately 1% of the general population is estimated to have high levels of psychopathy.

These people don’t need an excuse, and have no reason, to be dangerous.

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grayhatter 132 days ago
> It’s estimated that approximately 1% of the general population is estimated to have high levels of psychopathy.

> These people don’t need an excuse, and have no reason, to be dangerous.

Psycohpathy is defined as behaviors that conflict with pro-moral and pro-social norms. Are you trying to say that antisocial behavior is exclusively genetic, and isn't influenced by the environment? And if it is influenced by the environment, how does that conflict with what I said.

Or, more directly do you think that someone abandoned and abused by their caregivers as a child wouldn't test high on a psychopathy evaluation?

Also IIRC that 1.2% is just any clinically significant symptoms. Non-violent, pro-social, low empathy. Would still test high on that test.

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