[ben_w]

Sure, and from what I hear that's at the level of "war crimes", but those civilians the US armed forces are killing aren't US civilians.

People sign up for a variety of reasons; to keep their own safe is one of them, and that reason is incompatible with being the aggressor in a civil war.

[_DeadFred_]

Bro the way you brush off the US military already moving into the 'murderous war crimes' phase and thinking there is an upper bounds of the direction already in motion.

Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'?

Edit: A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry, and his largest crime appears to have been traffic tickets. Prior to shooting him to death they were video'd pistol whipping his face.

These people are just fine with murdering Americans.

[ben_w]

> Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'?

As I'm not American, I was already in the set of people they'd be willing to kill when ordered.

Are *the military* more likely to kill other Americans today? I do not think so.

But as I'm not American, I'm more worried that the chance of a B83 heading my way has gone from "No way!" to "3%".

> A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry

There was a kid a few years back, killed for a toy in an open-carry state.

My country of birth is not, contrary to what some claim, envious of the 2nd amendment; rather, it is glad to ban firearms. Even so, we see the hypocricy of killing those who exercise their rights.

[_DeadFred_]

Americans harassed my mom for wearing a mask during COVID when she was going through cancer treatment. They would rather she just died than 1. They wear masks 2. Be made to feel bad they didn't care about her dying.

The grocery store she shopped at literally had to setup special hours people like my mom could shop without being harassed and pushed to tears. She died knowing most of her community didn't care if she died if it inconvenienced them. 1 million Americans died and today they say 'COVID wasn't a thing'. 1 million Americans died and they say it's nothing.

Americans don't care who dies. They/we are fucking trash now. My grandfathers' generation were good people but whoever we are now, we are so lost. I grew up on Star Trek TNG American ideals and grew up Catholic and believing in the 'be kind' parts and thought my neighbors shared that but they don't.

[ben_w]

My condolences about your mum; I lost mine during the pandemic, though Alzheimers' causing her to forget to drink water rather than cancer, and the frequent closing of international borders meaning I couldn't even be there for the funeral.

That said, you've shifted the goalposts here: the one and only thing I was disagreeing about was the military. The military are the final arbiter of what happens, when the civilian government turns evil.

Seeing all the toadying and the way red hats are becoming the new brown shirts… I hope the ocean separating us is sufficient to keep me safe.

I cannot say, an am not saying, for certain that *the US military* are going to be not-evil, because unlike everyone else in the US federal government today the majority of the US armed forces are competent enough to keep quiet, and quiet makes it impossible to tell.

But what little gets out, from specifically the military? It suggests they take their oath of allegiance to the constitution seriously.

If the military is as bad as all your other non-military examples… well, even 25 years ago I was wondering how a new American civil war would play out, and if nukes would get involved.

[_DeadFred_]

I didn't know how to respond. I'll concede the discussion. It's nothing compared to your loss. I am so sorry that you went through that and that your mother passed. Wasn't going to say something, but I need to acknowledge how sad/horrible that is.