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by kjellsbells 148 days ago
This is very elegant, but is treading some ground that for various reasons never got commercial traction.

- Cisco tried distributed BNG about ten years ago, their "cnBNG" running on their x86 UCS server line. See [0]

- A UK company called Metaswitch tried doing this with eBPF and some home-grown tech (VPP meets fd.io and special sauce) in about 2018. Interestingly they pivoted the tech to work on 5G where blazing fast user plane is essential [1]. They got bought by Microsoft, ground into glass, and wiped out five years later.

- There was a lot of talk in ~2020 about whether wireline (fiber) and wireless (5G cellular) infrastructures could converge, with the BNG becoming another node in the system, like an AGF, and authenticating users against a UDR. 5G was already very distributed and it made a lot of sense at least on market-techture slide decks.[2]

Looking back, the difficulty making this commercial was not splitting up the function, making it performant, or running it disagg on commodity hardware. The difficulty was finding a set of anchor customers who were experiencing such pain on their existing BNG that they would be prepared to jump ship from their big iron to something new knowing full well that the new system would only support 10% of what their old Lucent 7750s or Ericsson boxes could do.

Taking disagg as an example, it makes little sense unless your network is above a certain size. But if you run a big network, like DT or AT&T, say, then you will demand hundreds of features be present before you will look at an alternative. Does it work with my OSS. Does it support all the features of RFC XYZ and the special tweaks that only we have. Will it keep the three-letter agencies happy when they serve a warrant. Can it pass muster with my security people. Can the developer survive working with my procurement people long enough to make enough money to fund development.

No disruptive vendor --none-- has ever made it past this barrier into the network core, despite operators saying for years that they want to work with disruptors. That's why Nokia, Ericsson, and Huawei reign supreme and telcos haven't innovated in decades.

[0] https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/cnBNG/cnBNG-CP...

[1] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-new-approach-pure-softwar...

[2] https://www.broadband-forum.org/pdfs/tr-470-2-0-0.pdf

2 comments

In ossified companies like telcos there's also the issue that the limitations of the existing equipment are being worked around with people. Those people derive their salaries from it, their manager derives his salary + prestige from managing such a headcount, and so on.

While the top brass might indeed be interested and benefit from more automation and a network that mostly runs itself, it's a bad deal for effectively everyone else in the company, so any attempts in that direction will never end up anywhere.

That's why legacy companies have been talking about "digital transformation" for decades now, yet it never progresses past simply digitizing the paperwork (and often creating more of it due to reduced friction), because enough people derive their job from said paperwork to make actual digital transformation politically untenable and impossible to deliver due to constant sabotage.

I mean, you see this with MikroTik all the time. The recent L3HW-enabled devices (up to 400G now) are so good it's crazy, and European onshore manufacturing, too. However, it doesn't support a subset of legacy "Enterprise" features, even though there's always a way to do the same thing using different architecture to how ISP guys have been trained many years ago, so instead we hear all the time that it's inadequate.

5G is a breath of fresh air in the sense that a lot of new techniques and broadly-applicable architectures were introduced to ISP's. I'm telling you, they HATED it. They absolutely hate learning new thing and that may as well be the largest blocker for disruptive players in the market.

I love this you and the other guy conspiracy lol. Telco bas, Ericsson bad. Okay if your stuff is so good why is it not dominant? Ah yes its all a conspiracy.

"Hate learning new stuff" = This ISP, LTE, NR stuff is all fairly new lol

Not all ISP's are like that. MikroTik is used by many ISP's in Europe. Dominant? Not yet, but it's getting there! U.S. is not really popular these days, you know? Trust in the pesky, backdoored Cisco switches is at an all-time low, cost notwithstanding. This is pushing telcos to consider alternative architectures that do not require certain proprietary features pushed by the big-three switch and router manufacturers.

This is not rocket science.

Ericsson and Nokia are Swedish and Finnish.

I am Swedish.

American? What are you on about?