[KomoD]

So it wasn't really the firmware but the hardware that they thought looked suspicious and the fact that you placed a black box in a hotel restaurant and walked away. Especially suspicious since WEF guests were staying there.

Thread for those who don't have an account: https://xcancel.com/s_heyneman/status/2014519007244656652

[reutinger]

I want to clarify the 'walking away' part: I was standing about 10 feet away at the reception desk, so I hadn't abandoned it—but I wasn't holding it.

That said, your point is the correct one. In a normal setting, leaving a bag near your table while you check in is fine. In a high-security zone during WEF, placing a black box with wires on a bench is a massive red flag. I treated it like a backpack; they treated it like a potential threat. It was a hard lesson in situational awareness.

[ggm]

Based on what this looks like, I don't really feel surprised at the outcome.

Based on what security is meant to do, Likewise.

Based on the lack of (apparent) self awareness of the author, I think I'd expect a little better of somebody using a device as a pitch-deck to the wealthy in a location of heightened security.

Is it security pantomime? yes. What did the OP expect? Is the OP really as naieve as they are saying? Was this not forseen/forseeable?

Being wise after the event means being wise. Does anyone else reading this think the OP was not wise?

[reutinger]

I’ll accept the 'naive' label on this one.

I’ve walked around SF and NYC with prototypes for years without issue. I genuinely failed to code-switch for the environment. I expected a bag search; I didn't expect a 13-hour detention and a forensic code audit.

It felt like 'pantomime' at first, but once the forensic team arrived, it became very real. They weren't performing theater; they were genuinely verifying the interrupt handlers in the code.

[defrost]

It's pretty straightforward, if it looks like a bomb, it gets treated like it might be a bomb.

If it looks like Osama bin Laden attending a War on Terror summit ... they'll wave it right through.

* https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jan/20/how-the...

Not an especially wise move if unintended, and a precarious risk if intended fpr the drama.

I'm thinking my personal best time getting grilled over a suspected security issue runs to 36 hours or so .. hard to tell in retrospect, the US TLA bods do like their blinken lights and screeching music to mess with peoples internal clocks.

[reutinger]

36 hours? You win. I bow to the master.

You are absolutely right about the optics (and the blinkin' lights). The forensic expert made the same point—unintended drama is still drama. I definitely didn't aim for this (just wanted to demo the hardware), but once the process started, I had to respect the thoroughness. Their protocols are no joke.

[defrost]

I travelled globally a lot for work, many borders and often laden with many trunks of equipment - getting stopped for inspections, often driven by curiousity, was par for the course.

The grilling by US security types was a "feature" of crossing any US controlled border space for a number of years after this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46597539 in 1998.

You spend one month at ground zero for 11 nuclear tests that caught most of the five eyes by suprise and that's all they ever seem to ask about forever.

[reutinger]

11 nuclear tests? I officially surrender the title. My 13 hours over a breadboard feels very quaint by comparison.

It is fascinating to see the evolution of the 'threat signature,' though. You were flagged for proximity to literal nuclear physics in 1998; I was flagged for a vibe-coded prototype that just looked like physics in 2026.

I have a sinking feeling that, like you, I've just unlocked the 'secondary screening' achievement for the next decade. I’ll take the permanent Swiss police record over the Five Eyes watchlist any day. You win.

[defrost]

The world's an interesting place, bang in the middle of the period of getting routinely stopped crossing US spaces I was seperately contracted to them (US DoD) to do similar work in other parts of the world.

Seperately again some nice people in Finland gave us some really nice SAKO TRG's and spotting scopes in return for being the fastest to find some drums of waste they hid in a forest.

My father (still alive) is a few years older than M.J., they grew up together, being from the same part of the same state .. so it was handy having them going to bat for us when faecal matter contacted propellers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jeffery ).