[wing-_-nuts]

>mixed residential/commertial/recreational can be very noisy.

I'd rather live in a somewhat 'noisy' vibrant neighborhood where I can walk to shops or restaurants than an absolutely dead residential cul-de-sac where I have to literally drive miles to the nearest amenity. If the noise bothers you at night, get a sound machine or install triple pane windows.

I understand having industrial separate from everything else, but commercial and residential should always be blended IMHO, and SFH zoning should not exist.

I would kill for reformed zoning standards like they have in Japan.

[f1shy]

I liked very much Japan or Buenos Aires. Sure. Just pointing out there are downsides also. Traffic is a mess, and that shows in times for ambulances and firefighters. I like things of both. I guess people should vote by choosing to live where they want

[wing-_-nuts]

Traffic is a mess in Tokyo? Ambulance response times are typically under 10m in japan, so not sure the relevance there. Also the entire point of living in a dense neighborhood is that one is able to address many of your day to day needs without driving.

>I guess people should vote by choosing to live where they want

I'd have no problem with this if dense, multi-use zoning were common. As it is, very few places in the US are as livable as much of Europe and the more developed parts of Asia.

[jmye]

… So live where you want. I do, and it’s a SFH neighborhood. We don’t all need to live in Kowloon City, just because that’s what you like.

So tired of this strident bullshit (“and SFH zoning should not exist”) from people who can’t seem to figure out other people exist and have thoughts and preferences, too.

[wing-_-nuts]

I'm just going to copy and paste the end of my last comment since it seems you didn't read it

>I'd have no problem with this if dense, multi-use zoning were common. As it is, very few places in the US are as livable as much of Europe and the more developed parts of Asia.

It's easy to say 'live where you want' when your preferred housing isn't illegal in most of the US.

[jmye]

I'm "just going to copy and paste" your actual statement: "and SFH zoning should not exist"

> It's easy to say 'live where you want' when your preferred housing isn't illegal in most of the US.

And yet, even if we take this obviously bogus statement on it's face, there are still many places you could live if you were more interested in living there and less interested in trying to force me to live there, too. You could even, if this were honest concern, join your local city's planning commission and talk to people who actually understand your local area about it's zoning, though I suppose that takes more effort than shit posting about SFH BAD on social media.

[lotsoweiners]

The good news for you is that you can live like this in almost any major city. Those of us that absolutely want to drive places and live in SFH zoned areas can also do that. Win win.

[wing-_-nuts]

There may be scattered small neighborhoods in very large cities where this is possible, but it's largely illegal to build this way in most of the US

[direwolf20]

Why would you want to have to drive everywhere?

[eudamoniac]

It's quiet, I get a larger piece of land with a yard that I can enjoy, I can have a porch, there are no homeless people accosting me when I sit on my porch, when I go to the grocery store it is clean and doesn't have a homeless encampment outside the front door, and nobody shoplifts from it so nothing is locked up, etc etc. I used to live in Seattle, these are not invented problems.

[direwolf20]

50% of your problems are homeless people. Seattle should get homes for those people and that would make it 50% nicer for you.

[eudamoniac]

Yes, Seattle would certainly be much nicer without the homeless people, no argument there. But even if we assume that would reduce the crime rate, I still would prefer my large SFH with a garden and allowing my kids to safely run around the neighborhood unsupervised.

This is not mentioning the gorillion dollars Seattle already spends on homeless help to no avail; asylums are probably the only real solution to that.

[mothballed]

Houston might be up your alley.

[nathanaldensr]

I, for one, love my low-density agriculturally-rooted Massachusetts town founded in the eighteenth century.

Not everyone likes what you like.