[cmrdporcupine]

Yep. I'm coming to resent Claude Code and tools like it for taking me out of direct contact with the code.

I think we're still in the early days of these systems. The models could be capable of a lot more than this "chat log" methodology.

Agree about JetBrains dropping the ball. Saddens me because I've also been a diehard user of their products since 2004.

[qorrect]

Glad to hear I'm not alone, the latest releases of JetBrains have been so bad I finally cancelled my subscription. VSCode has been a nice surprise, "its giving old emacs" as the kids would say.

[sitkack]

I am curious about how both of you think Jetbrains is dropping the ball so much that you are no longer buying the tool.

You are still using it but no longer getting updates?

[cmrdporcupine]

I use free RustRover for my open source work. I have not purchased a (new) license for my commercial work, because I haven't been getting as much value as it since my flow has switched to primarily agentic.

Mainly, they're pushing Junie and it just isn't that good or compelling, when faced off against the competition.

The key thing for me is that I think they had an opportunity here to really rethink how LLMs could interact with an editor since they potentially controlled both the editor and the LLM interaction. But they just implemented another chat-based interaction model with some bells and whistles, and also were late getting it out really, and what they delivered seemed a bit meh.

I was hoping for something that worked more closely inside the editing process, inline in the code, not just completions and then an agentic log alongside.

I also don't like that I can't seem to get it to work with 3rd party LLM providers, really. It seems to allow specifying an OpenAI API compatible endpoint, but it's janky and doesn't seem to allow me to refresh and manage the list of models properly?

It just still seems half-baked.

I love Opus and I am a heavy CC user now, but I don't like that Claude Code is taking me out of my IDE, away from hands on with the code, and out of my editing process.And I don't like how it tries to take over and how weak its review flow is. I end up almost always with surprises during my review process, despite my finding the quality of its code and analysis quite good. To me there was a real chance here for a company like JetBrains to show its worth in applying AI in a more sensible way than Anthropic has.

VSCode and Zed have no appeal to me though. I've mostly gone back to emacs.

In the meantime, their IDEs themselves feel a bit stalled in terms of advancement. And they've always suffered from performance problems since I started using them over 20 ago.

[KronisLV]

> I have not purchased a (new) license for my commercial work, because I haven't been getting as much value as it since my flow has switched to primarily agentic.

I still buy a personal Ultimate license because I want to see them succeed even if like 80% of my time is spent either in a CLI or Visual Studio Code (for quicker startup and edits), a bit unfortunate that Fleet never got to be really good but oh well.

[kevinlu1248]

Also wish Fleet took off, not a fan of installing a new IDE for every separate repo that's in a different language

[cmrdporcupine]

Over the last two decades I've given them quite a bit a money on personal subscriptions, and indirectly a lot more through employer purchases on my behalf.

I dislike VSCode very much, but I do think the foundational pieces of the JetBrain's IDEs are starting to show their age.

[kevinlu1248]

I've done some testing before and many of the new Jetbrains internal plugins cause memory leaks which really lags down my IDE...