[austin-cheney]

Let’s see them try it in Texas where castle doctrine is taken seriously and everyone is armed to the teeth. It won’t take many examples before they rethink their approach.

Edit. Castle doctrine probably won’t apply.

The memo says under general guidelines that officers and agents using a method called Form I-205 must “knock and announce” and that “in announcing, officers and agents must state their identity and purpose.”

[PokedBear]

The problem with people invoking and using the castle doctrine is that while they might be right to engage in self-defense in that situation, they also would very likely be dead at the end of the encounter.

[toomuchtodo]

Might be dead either way, you have jury nullification to rely on if self defense works.

“They didn’t announce and I feared for my life.”

[burnt-resistor]

I just watched a case of, albeit local cops, shooting and killing someone under the guise of a "welfare check" where they didn't announce themselves and shot without giving the person's house they were invading a chance. They killed somebody in their own house without evidence, exigency (arguably), or reasonable suspicion. They caused someone to defend themselves and murdered them for protecting themselves when they weren't wanted.

[austin-cheney]

That sounds like the 2019 Fort Worth shooting.

[zelda420]

They are doing that all over San Antonio and Austin.

[gamblor956]

Castle doctrine would still apply. ICE doesn't have jurisdiction over citizens.

[burnt-resistor]

> Castle doctrine would still apply.

> ICE doesn't have jurisdiction over citizens.

None of this matters because of their lawless, masked, paramilitary gestapo tactics where they get away with using chemical weapons, murdering people in the street, and breaking & entering without judicial warrants. They are masked criminals acting extrajudicially including kidnapping and disappearances of US citizens and non-citizens, retaliatory arrests of people exercising Constitutionally-protected free speech, and conducting summary executions. Equal protection under the law is a distant, idealistic fantasy that has evaporated except to be used as justification for punitive punishment against anyone not a celebrity, rich, or law enforcement.

[tim-tday]

Good luck with that. I encourage you to try. 1) they’ll kill you 2) they’ll get on tv and call you a domestic terrorist 3) the people who kill you will never see an investigation let alone a conviction or punishment.

Perhaps after the first dozen or so the courts will spring into action.

[etyhhgfff]

Wait until they mess with a veteran. 1) they dont care and actually have a decent chance to win a shoot out 2) they dont care 3) they dont care

[metalcrow]

Why would castle doctrine not apply?