[bri3d]

> their own implementation of Trusted Boot which relies on the cryptography and secrets inside the SoC rather than TPM as in x86/UEFI boot process.

TPM and x86 trusted boot / root of trust are completely separate things, linked _only_ by the provision of measurements from the (_presumed_!) good firmware to the TPM.

x86 trusted boot relies on the same SoC manufacturer type stuff as in ARM land, starting with a fused public key hash; on AMD it's driven by the PSP (which is ARM!) and on Intel it's a mix of TXE and the ME.

This is a common mistake and very important to point out because using TPM alone on x86 doesn't prove anything; unless you _also_ have a root of trust, an attacker could just be feeding the "right" hashes to the TPM and you'd never know better.

[ValdikSS]

On ARM, you control the whole boot process on many SoCs, and can make your own bespoke secure/trusted/measured boot chain, starting from bootrom to the very latest boot stages (given that your SoC manufacturer has root of trust and all the documentation on how to use it), without TPM.

You more or less can't do that on x86, and have to rely on existing proprietary code facilities to implement measured boot using TPM (as the only method), for which you can implement trusted boot, using TPM and all the previous measures proprietary code made to it.

[bri3d]

You can do that on x86 too, the main difference is a combination of openness and who you need to sign an NDA with (which, granted, is a big difference, since most ARM vendors are more likely to be your friend than Intel). However, there are a ton of x86 based arcade machines, automotive systems, and so on which have secured root of trust and do not use UEFI at all. On Intel, you get unprovisioned chips and burn your KM hash into the PCH FPFs to advance the lifecycle state at EOM, which is basically the same thing you'd do with most ARM SoCs.

[ValdikSS]

I cracked into many x86-based arcade machines (and non-arcade gambling machines), and none of them used anything really bespoke. I never seen non-BIOS/UEFI x86 system in my life.

Not going to say they are non-existent, but probably the only mention of not using UEFI on Intel chips was in the presentation of Linux optimization for automotive from Intel itself, where they booted Linux in 2 seconds from the cold boot.

[bri3d]

I've seen the Intel bare-metal stuff in enough automotive products to call it extant in the wild; I've only heard of it being used in video arcade stuff so maybe I was misinformed there.

Anyway, I think we're both on the same page regardless that TPM and hardware root of trust are not the same thing. In some configurations TPM can (weakly) attest that the hardware root of trust is present, but it doesn't actually do any hardware trust root, and that looks architecturally very similar on x86 to how it looks anywhere else (mask ROM verifies a second bootloader against RTL or manufacturing fused chipmaker public key hash, second bootloader measures subsequent material against OEM fused key hash, and so it goes).