[jpster]

Did you skip right over the Lancet sentence that concluded the annual toll caused by unilateral sanctions (over 564k) is comparable to armed conflict?

[JumpCrisscross]

> the annual toll caused by unilateral sanctions (over 564k) is comparable to armed conflict?

In aggregate. America isn’t in armed conflict with those folks. If everyone we sanctioned were attacked, more people would die.

[jpster]

I am saying that sanctions are weapon of sorts and have worse effects than people realize, and you seem to be saying their effects are not as bad as those of kinetic weapons. Despite Lancet concluding their tolls are comparable.

[s1artibartfast]

What are the economic death tolls of wars? It seems like those should be included.

Moreover, it's kind of consequentialist morality ignores the distinction of active harm versus failure to Aid.

This should play a role when one considers something an attack or weapon.

Is less than maximal charity an attack?

Is it an attack when someone refuses to sleep with someone else?

Norms around choice versus entitlement distinguish the two.

[jpster]

If I blockade you in your house, is that failure to aid? Or something else? Sanctions occur via commission, not omission. They’re not a failure to render aid or to be maximally charitable. They’re active harm.

[s1artibartfast]

Blockade and sanctions are entirely different.

Sanctions are omission, blockade is comission. These words are currently being conflated.

[jpster]

> International sanctions are restrictions on international transactions imposed by governments in pursuit of foreign policy objectives.

Imposing a restriction where one did not previously exist is quite obviously a commission.

[lovich]

If economic sanctions aren’t weapons, then why do sovereign nations deploy them against other sovereign nations to achieve their will?

[mlrtime]

Because actual weapons are much worse, don't you try to exhaust all options until you stop dropping bombs on people?

[lovich]

I replied to a comment mentioning deaths from sanctions.

Other than our monkey brains prioritizing physical violence as worse, I don’t see a functional different between deaths from sanctions and deaths from bombs.