[jampa]

I imagine they're building this system with the goal of extracting user demographics (age, sex, income) from chat conversations to improve advertising monetization.

This seems to be a side project of their goal and a good way to calibrate the future ad system predictions.

[samename]

Exactly, all under the guise of "protect the children" - a tried and true surveillance and control trope.

[embedding-shape]

For context though, people have been screaming lately at OpenAI and other AI companies about not doing enough to protect the children. Almost like there is no winning, and one should just make everything 18+ to actually make people happy.

[nurumaik]

What a coincidence: "protect the children" narrative got amplified right about when implementing profiling became needed for openai profits. Pure magic

[b112]

I get why you're questioning motives, I'm sure it's convenient for them at this time.

But age verification is all over the place. Entire countries (see Australia) have either passed laws, or have laws moving through legislative bodies.

Many platforms have voluntarily complied. I expect by 2030, there won't be a place on Earth where not just age verification, but identity is required to access online platforms. If it wasn't for all the massive attempts to subvert our democracies by state actors, and even political movements within democratic societies, it wouldn't be so pushed.

But with AI generated videos, chats, audio, images, I don't think anyone will be able to post anything on major platforms without their ID being verified. Not a chat, not an upload, nothing.

I think consumption will be age vetted, not ID vetted.

But any form of publishing, linked to ID. Posting on X. Anything.

I've fought for freedom on the Internet, grew up when IRC was a thing, knew more freedom on the net than most using it today. But when 95% of what is posted on the net, is placed there with the aim to harm? Harm our societies, our peoples?

Well, something's got to give.

Then conjoin that with the great mental harm that smart phones and social media do to youth, and.. well, anonymity on the net is over. Like I said at the start, likely by 2030.

(Note: having your ID known doesn't mean it's public. You can be registered, with ID, on X, on youtube, so the platform knows who you are. You can still be MrDude as an alias...)

[rockskon]

95% of what is posted on the Internet is placed with intent to harm?

What?

[asdfaslkj353]

If you consider Advertisement and News (with understanding that it is rarely unbiased) harmful, the 95% is not that far off the truth.

[samename]

It doesn't make everyone happy though. I think it would be useful to examine who is asking OpenAI to protect the children, and why.

[pluralmonad]

"please raise my children for me. Somebody should..."

[rendaw]

Every "protect the children" measure that involves increased surveillance is balanced by an equal and opposing "now the criminal pedophiles in positions of power have more information on targets".

[peddling-brink]

And also to reduce account sharing. How will a family share an account when they simultaneously make the adult account more “adult”, and make the kids account more annoying for adults.

Lots of upsides for them.

[torginus]

Tbf, they already had all the data they could use as they liked as per their EULA, I don't think they need a cover story.

[kube-system]

I think they're quite explicitly saying they already can determine your demographics from your chats. Which is almost certainly true for most users.

[intrasight]

I don't chat - I prompt. And usually zero-shot in an incognito window. I doubt it'll determine much of anything about my demographics.

[torben-friis]

>I don't chat - I prompt. And usually zero-shot in an incognito window

Likely demographic: Male, 35-65

Potential interests: technology, privacy focused products

Ideal ad style: avoid emotional hooks, list product features in an objective-seeming manner.

[Dilettante_]

I'm sure it can figure out you don't like bean soup

[notatoad]

they definitely can do that already, and chatGPT will happily tell you all the demographics it thinks it knows about you if you ask it.

[heliumtera]

safe to say everything in existence is created to extract user demographics. it was never about you finding information, this trillion market exists to find you. it was never about you summarizing information getting around advertisement, it is about profiling you.

this trillion market is not about empowering users to style their pages more quickly, heh

[CGMthrowaway]

Chatgpt has ads now?

[dragonwriter]

https://openai.com/index/our-approach-to-advertising-and-exp...