[metalman]

I was on the fence with switching to starlink from cellular data, but I realy cant stand the idea of a wrestling match with another giant corporation, weaponising "may", might", "occasionaly", "certain terms and conditions", "reserve the right to" better the perv I know then some new more ambitios one.

[blacksmith_tb]

It's gross, but of course we think many ISPs are abusive in similar ways? I haven't ever used a Starlink connection, I wonder if their latency a problem for VPNs or tunneling.

[Mossly]

I've recently spent a few hundred hours playing Arc Raiders on Starlink from a small island in the Pacific. ~80ms ping to Australian servers is pretty mindblowing. Jitter and packet loss also tend to be insignificant in the absence of obstructions.

My home server back in New Zealand is behind CGNAT and I had issues with high birate (>25Mbps) HTTPS streaming over Tailscale. I suspect MTU size causing packet fragmentation combined with DERP relay fallback under CGNAT was the culprit, but that's outside my expertise to diagnose fully.

Reverse proxying to a VPS in Sydney with Pangolin achieved much better performance, almost 100Mbps over WebDAV. Somewhere inbetween I tried SMB over Cloudflare WARP (~70Mbps), but allowing Cloudflare to terminate TLS seemed incongruent with self-hosting everything else.

[Nextgrid]

> many ISPs are abusive in similar ways?

Indeed that is the case - all the other major consumer ISPs have ties with media companies and have much more incentive to collect and abuse user data than Starlink does.

[tyingq]

They say 20-60ms, users seem to report 30-200ms. Seems very dependent on where you're at.

[yencabulator]

Consistent 25-35ms to 1.1.1.1. You won't see >60ms unless you're deprioritized, and that's about your choice of plan not about what the network can do.

[tyingq]

I would be surprised there are not some amount of oversubscribed geo areas, or remote spots with longer paths, etc.

It does seem good for many, just perhaps not all.

[garciasn]

I average 20-25ms at my lake home in Central MN on Starlink Residential lite; very similar to my Comcast Business connection at my house.

It’s crazy to me, frankly.

[sneak]

i have my starlink plugged directly into a gl.inet router that runs a wireguard client. all of the clients connect to the gl.inet wifi. absolutely nothing unencrypted goes out the starlink wan.

it works fine.

i have the exact same setup at home with cox cable, because they will data mine the shit out of your traffic (and they have your phone number and home address to link it to). most terrestrial residential isps do this shit. vpn everything.