[krapp]

>But having read at least one or two books, it feels like, I dunno, folks who were actively stoked about Harris don't want -less- violence, they just want it done to folks they don't see...

The thing is you're choosing the violence of American imperialism to be done in your name either way.

And yes, the people who wanted Harris did actually want less violence, and would have gotten less violence. I know it's comforting and cathartic to demonize them and consider them more ignorant than you because it makes your decision seem more righteous. Harris voters were making the best decision they could with the choices they actually had, to not throw all of their allies (including Palestinians, mind you) under the bus and double down on accelerating fascism for the sake of a moral victory.

But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. It's not as if it matters now, you all got what you wanted.

[scarecrowbob]

Hoss, if you'd written "a grilled cheese sandwich would be a better president than DT" I would have just agreed with you out of hand.

However, given the fact that a) the Democrats seemed to have done literally everything that they could do to lose what they called the "most important election of our lifetimes" and b) I have neither control over who they choose to run nor a vote in a contestable state, I am not going to feel bad for my real anger at them and the folks who support them for failing the rest of us so badly.

The "choices they actually had" are the product of the Democratic party, and I feel no end of anger for them chosing as they did and failing to win.

A lot of us just wanted to see them win, which should have been no problem. I'd much rather not be going to stand in front of an ICE detnetion facility every week.

At the same time, you can pretend that Harris was for a less violent world. She was not, she was for a world order that targeted its violence at folks you don't care about.

I sleep just fine. We have been organizing a long time and will continue.