[fsflover]

> Android

> without being tied to Google

That's a contradiction.

[rcMgD2BwE72F]

No. I'm on GrapheneOS and not tied to Google.

You must be thinking of the Google Play Services but these aren't required by GrapheneOS.

[izacus]

No, we're thinking about the fact that Android is Google owned and developed and no removal of Play Services changes that.

Every Android ROM is critically dependant on Googles work to actually develop and secure the OS.

[catlikesshrimp]

It is tied to google inasmuch all target phones are google branded. https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

Hopefully that can change, in the future

[fsflover]

It's tied to Google's development strategy, such as removal of Manifest-V2, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41905368

[JCattheATM]

It could change now, it could have changed years ago, they just have no interest in trying. It's pretty annoying honestly.

[pjmlp]

As long as it depends on Google paying upstream development that GrapheneOS updates from, it is tied to Google.

Now if GrapheneOS was its own thing without additional AOSP code updates.

[philipallstar]

This becomes sophistry, though. "tied to" in a way that doesn't matter, doesn't matter.

[pjmlp]

Ah but it does, as Google can decide to close down AOSP shop at any moment.

[microtonal]

If that happens, the world can always try to fork. Until then it seems kind of pointless to do so?

[pjmlp]

Try is the keyword here.

Hence why these efforts should not rely on US institutions good will in first place.

[metalman]

Can try to fork?, china , russia, and lots of smaller countrys are steadily moving away and as basic introperability standards for phone and internet will remain, they can do this, and pressure is also mounting to get a linux phone fully functional, that will alao happen. And in a world where Guggappl is providing genocide and abduction services, Billions would happily choose other alternatives.

[realusername]

The day they do that, Android will just be a Chinese product and Google will lose control over it.

[pjmlp]

Huawei took control of its own destiny instead of relying on Google forks.

https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/design/

https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/harmonyos/develop/

[brnt]

Anyone on Graphene is tied tot Google, for it requires Google hardware.