[fofoz]

My impression as a European is that trust in the United States has now been burned, and that companies are slowly, but inexorably, completely rethinking their dependence on the U.S. I believe this is a process that is not reversible in the medium term.

Trump, like any politician, will sooner or later pass. How many institutional reforms will the United States have to undertake, and how long will it take before the world trusts them again?

[lysace]

This is correct. Our company (about 40 people in the engineering team) just did a painful move from homegrown orchestration of EC2 instances to containerized ECS/Fargate.

We will now move to some form of "pure" EU-hosted K8s. No more AWS. I bet we will end up saving lots of money too.

Kubernetes was always the next step. We just didn't know the trigger would be the US going _this_ hostile.

Our marketing director chipped in and thinks it will be worth quite a lot if we can show/say that our service is completely independent of the US - but she wants to say it more diplomatically - exactly how is tbd. I disagree. We should just write it out loud and be proud about it. We'll see.

Perhaps: "We work and live in X land. We run all of services in X land, in facilities owned by people living in X land.

[AnimalMuppet]

The thing is that, even if Trump never becomes a full-out authoritarian, sooner or later someone will follow that path and do so (unless there are institutional reforms with teeth after Trump is gone). I don't trust the US to remain a real democracy long-term, even after Trump is gone.

[cudgy]

US was never a real democracy; it is a representative republic consisting of 2 primary parties both coopted by billionares.

[jacquesm]

That's happening all over Europe but very quietly. The thing to watch is earnings reports of Q1 2027, that's when these chickens will come home to roost. Lots of contracts renew at the end of the year, or not...