[mightyham]

I don't understand how you could read the nine theses essays and think they are anything but reasonable. Even if you disagree with his politics, the results of his suggestions would almost certainly make Wikipedia more pluralistic, welcoming and neutral.

[bawolff]

Because they have all been tried before and had the opposite affect.

Anyone who likes them should make their own site to try and see. Oh wait, sangar already did that multiple times and it crashed and burned every time.

[mightyham]

> Because they have all been tried before and had the opposite affect.

Did you even read the document? Claiming that Wikipedia has implemented all of these suggestions in the past is just plainly false. If you disagree with the documents contents, why don't you provide a substantive argument instead of just belittling efforts at changing the status quo?

[bawolff]

> Claiming that Wikipedia has implemented all of these suggestions in the past is just plainly false

I'm claiming people, not necessarily wikipedia, have tried them. However many have been tried by Wikipedia too.

> just belittling efforts at changing the status quo?

The status quo is pretty good. Change for change sake is an anti-pattern.

Regardless, i think people who like these ideas should try them, on their own site. I suspect they will quickly find out why Wikipedia does not want to do them.

After all, martin luther didnt just whine that the pope wouldnt listen to him, he made his own thing.

[mightyham]

Your comments are shallow because you just continue to assert the idea are bad with no reasoning. You also clearly don't know your protestant history: Martin Luther did basically just whine about the Pope. He was thoroughly a reformer that wanted to see the Catholic church changed; he did not condone "Lutheranism" as a separatist movement.

[bawolff]

The reasoning is historical precedent. If something doesn't work out the first time you try it, why would you do it again.

We are talking about at least 10 pages worth of proposed reforms. Do you have a specific one you would like to discuss? I'm not particularly interested in writing a 10 page essay in an hn comment about why i think all the proposed reforms are stupid.