[appointment]

> That’s not to exclude the harsh reality of mining for the minerals required to build these, nor the land use concerns.

This is Big Oil propaganda. The impact from this is massively less than the horrific damage caused by every part of the fossil fuel industry.

[mrpopo]

Yep. It's not just oil rigs in the desert. Chevron in Ecuador destroyed the Amazonian rainforest. Oil pipelines and open pit mines destroying Canadian primordial forests. Probably tons of untold stories.

[ChoGGi]

> open pit mines destroying Canadian primordial forest

And our lovely tailings: Syncrude Tailings Dam

[Rover222]

Similar to the idea that electric cars are net worse for the environment because some of the materials used to make them. Worse than 20 years of burning gasoline in an ICE car? It's so ridiculous.

[gregbot]

it depends where your electricity comes from actually. In west Virginia it comes from coal so is worse than a hybrid but still better than non-hybrid gas cars (in terms of CO2)

[pcchristie]

No it's not. The efficiency of an EV Motor > efficiency of ICEV motor. Even with 100% black coal. The carbon is reduced by about 30% IIRC (that number can and does improve as the grid greens).

[gregbot]

Yes it is. Here is the study

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03062...

[Rover222]

That's an 11 year old study that is no longer correct based on the modern electric grid.

Also focusing on only carbon footprint is misleading. EVs pollute far less overall, even on the 2015 electric grid.

[gregbot]

I await your updated study to back up your claims

[roxolotl]

It’s so interesting seeing some of the comments about this. The sentence I wrote after that blames war and global devastation on fossil fuels. I was expecting to get flak for being too harsh to fossil fuels but somehow it swung the other direction. Which, as someone who shouts at the radio when the greenwashing oil ads play on NPR, is heartening.

[ainiriand]

Absolutely, one single point to confirm what you say, the Niger Delta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7yWvGTDmo

[newyankee]

especially when the most important total cost of ownership over life is considered