[ilinx]

I’m reading Domain Driven Development and learning why so many of my projects have been tough to maintain.

I also recently learned that you can get ancient coins for very little money if you don’t care about resale value or need them to be in pristine condition. I bought some coins from kingdoms that I’d never heard of. Many are thousands of years old! It’s fun holding a piece of history like that.

[p_v_doom]

> I’m reading Domain Driven Development and learning why so many of my projects have been tough to maintain.

Oooh, thats a good one. Next read the Architects paradox, Why Greatness cannot be planned and Understanding Variation and your views of the world will be forever altered. Or pick up "Architecture Modernization" by Nick Tune if you want more tools to do stuff and if you do not want to achieve enligntenment.

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Where did you acquire cheap ancient coins? ebay? May be cool to get some for my dnd group

[ilinx]

Thanks for the recommendations! I’m actually getting to the end and wondered where to go next. Perfect timing! I’ll go ahead and order those today :).

> Where did you acquire cheap ancient coins? ebay? May be cool to get some for my dnd group

I bought most of mine on VCoins. The few I bought weren’t certified or anything, but they have lots of very well established sellers. I got a few bronze and silver coins from the Middle East and India. They were in good shape at about $10-20 US (plus international shipping). I also got some nicer Byzantine and Roman coins in the $50 US price range. I tried to group my orders from each seller to save on shipping. So far everything I’ve gotten is exactly as pictured, and the transactions have been very smooth. I got a couple more from a local dealer. The prices were a bit higher, but he was a lot of fun to talk to, which more than makes up for the price difference.

[dr_dshiv]

Ancient coin collecting is an awesome hobby! I have one that scholars think was made by / designed by Pythagoras himself. For a few hundred bucks!

Recently I learned that only 3% of Latin works from 1450-1700 (including renaissance and scientific revolution) have been translated. Secondrenaissance.ai

[TZubiri]

No way

At this point just learn latin

[bombcar]

Latin isn't terribly hard to learn, and it is surprisingly easy to read "technical" documents in Latin; because once you learn the terms the other parts are relatively basic.

[TZubiri]

Declensions seem very extensive and unintuitive to learn, like they had a completely different structure than modern languages (verbs adjective noun articles)

[bombcar]

Getting declensions right is a pain when trying to write Latin, but of reading it you can often just ignore them entirely and work it out from context.

Of course you have to basically memorize the common things but those are all non-standard anyway.

[TZubiri]

Are you sure you are actually understanding the subtleties? I can definitely read latin and work out what is meant. But when I read my native languages, I can tell that there's A LOT of meaning hidden in subtleties that I would definitely lose if I were to analyze sentences only through etymological meaning of each independent word, to say nothing of the pain of having to parse ambigueties:

e.g:

Ambigueties: "Defended Warrior" - "Warrior Defends" / "Bellator defendit" - "Bellator defensus"

Subtleties: - "Defense! Defense!" "Defend! Defend!" (Basketball vs war)

- "No good", bad? Or bad/neutral?

- "Do you take me for a fool" / "Do you think I'm dumb?" (Accusation of cheating vs Earnest)

That's not to say you don't have the tools to derive meaning from context and parse ambigueties, but if you are simultaneously parsing syntactic ambigueties, then you have much less energies to parse semantic ambigueties and to try to work out what idiomatic phrases would have meant.

And the effect is multiplicative, if you have 2 declensions you don't remember, you have 4 combinations to parse. Multiply that by 2 possible meanings of the phrase (or more) and you have 8 meanings ( or more).

Sure, you can read somewhat, but I'd be skeptical as to how much you can understand what you are reading, sure it's more than chinese since we share a lot of roots, but there's still a lot of meaning that is missed, and knowing declensions is like level 1, it doesn't guarantee you will understand latin either.

[andoando]

Not sure what you mean, all the Romance languages are derived from Latin. German, Russian and a lot of languages have cases.

The tough part is having to memorize feminine/masculine/neutral genders + the million cases for how they transform. Genders seem completely useless, Im curious as to why they developed so extensively in language at all.

[TZubiri]

Right, and we descend from amphibians, but we diverged quite a lot.

I took a look into german, it seems that their case system is much more stable than latin, based on suffixes mostly, and most words having the same form for many cases.

Why genders or specific declensions exist? Being a native spanish speaker I can say:

- Error correcting code: If a gender or number doesn't match, you can reparse what you heard, or ask for clarification.

- Proof of consistent thought: Forces to think ahead in sentences, you can't just make things up as you go, if you used an article early in a sentence it's because you already know what you are referring to. If someone can't even match their genders or numbers, you can pretty much discard what they are saying, or surmise they are intoxicated. Consider how basic autopredict would fail and instantly be detected in spanish, while not necessarily so in english.

As for latin declensions: - Classism: I don't think the purpose of language is always to increase communication, I think that a high bar for communicating was placed, no doubt there existed simpler languages that could have reached more penetration, but I believe that the incredible amount of cases serves as a test of memorization, a display of mental virtue which one must pass through in order to be worthy of communicating. It would not doubt be a more extreme form of proof of consistent thought, but I imagine it would be much more notable, it would be easy for a roman citizen to detect a non citizen or a slave by how they talk based on their lack of schooling, maybe they couldn't even form complete sentences to collude, they could just be limited to saying yes/no.

[philangist]

Curious what have been the main insights you've gotten from the book around what causes hard to maintain projects?

[dysoco]

> I’m reading Domain Driven Development and learning why so many of my projects have been tough to maintain.

Because they didn't take advice from that book or because they DID take advice from that book?

[ilinx]

The former. I didn’t realize how few of my projects have even had an intentional architecture. So often they go from feature designs to mockups to tickets to code without any real discussion about how the pieces fit together. There’s certainly never been an attempt to create a common “language” that is shared across the org. On a project half the company might refer to a catalog item as a “product”, and their definition may or may not align with what another team refers to as an “item”. I’m starting to understand that situations like that are why everything gets so complicated.

[rocketbin]

Any recommendations on where to acquire?

[ilinx]

I buy mine from VCoins. They’re pretty inexpensive if you don’t need them certified or anything, and many sellers are very above board and professional.