[mothballed]

Lol I am for completely open borders, which probably puts me in the most extreme 1% of pro-immigration policy.

This doesn't make me blind. The benefits liability is massive, mostly to my own citizens, whom are even harder to escape than immigrants except by emigration. My country is being run by a proto-fascist, and the only remaining benefit I get of that is that he kind of reflects my demographic, although that is rapidly being 'replaced.' So in 30 years, going down the road it is now, it could be someone just as authoritarian but sees me as the enemy instead of brown people.

I am not particularly excited to wait around for that, while paying out massive benefits to the non-productive, plus the national debt, plus the taxation rates that exceed other monarchy-like countries with even freer economic systems.

If I was anti-immigrant I wouldn't even consider immigration. I only consider it because I don't have a dogmatic allegiance to the constitution nor 'America' as a political entity; if living under a dystopic theocracy provides more liberty it shouldn't be excluded from consideration.

The main reason why I haven't left, is I'm trying real hard to not be a coward and just leave rather than try to fix things, unlike many cowardly immigrants that have arrived at the USA because they can't be bothered to fix their own country.

[lovich]

You're using words like "parasite" and "non productive class" to refer to immigrants.

I do not believe you when you are blowing dog whistles in every comment.

>If I was anti-immigrant I wouldn't even consider immigration.

No, you totally could. Its called self centered hypocrisy. I believe you are guilty of it.

[mothballed]

Your world view is so shattered that someone espousing a few of the views of some right-wing people doesn't match what you think, that you refuse to believe it. Instead you suggest your own vicious introduced stereotype, that if someone is a "parasite" or "non productive" that it must refer to an immigrant -- that says as much guilt about you as you think it does about me.

[u03c6]

Is really interesting how language breaks sometimes. I guess I am from a really different context than you, while reading those words (parasite, non-productive) I had to choose an interpretation and depending on that I might be really close to what you say or really against it. On this case I think some of the replies took a different option and that is why the answered like that.

[lovich]

Nah, I called him out for the dog whistles because that’s exactly what he’s doing.

He’s being vague enough that he can trot out some defense of “I didn’t say the exact word ‘immigrant’” even though the context of the conversation is about immigrants and he’s using right wing talking points about immigration. He even included the “actually you’re the one with bad thoughts cause you recognize my dog whistle” reversal.

It’s an amazing strategy because somehow, despite a decade of this kind of communication strategy, there’s still the clueless or the hopeful who want to assume good faith and then will defend these people against anyone calling them out.