[bluegatty]

"It starts by believing that there are distinct human races (which there are not). . That alone makes most US Americans racist based on language alone. "

Sorry, but no.

The scientific community has moved away from 'race' in the biological sense (although there is debate) but the sociological construct of race, which is what we refer to in this context, obviously exists.

When a person 'self identifies' as Black, or Asian or White - that is 'race' - in the 'social construct' sense and it's perfectly accepted and normal - the recognition of that does not make one racist.

[choeger]

> but the sociological construct of race, which is what we refer to in this context, obviously exists.

I doubt that something built on self-identification yields a meaningful concept of racism.

[bluegatty]

It's clear as day, and it's hard to understand that someone could be confused by this.

It's literally on the census form.

'Race' is a cultural euphemism for broader ethnicity.

AKA 'European = White' - 'African = Black' - more or less.

These are not arbitrary groups of 'self identification' like 'emo' or 'punk'.

These groups are even self organizing - every single US city is built around small enclaves of groups - they pop right out on urban maps.

We've been fighting tribal wars since the dawn of time, it's not hard to imagine how the 'Flemish' vs. 'Dutch' is not going to extend to 'European vs. African'.

Elon Musk, on twitter, 2 days ago, was interjecting on this horrible bit of 'race war' nonsense, talking about 'blacks eviscerate whites' etc..

Again - while there's feeble support for the notion of 'race' in the field of biology (although I think it's more controversial than stated), we obviously have cultural foundations around those concepts.

Honestly - this kind of argument is plausibly the 'worst thing' about HN. I don't understand how something so common and obvious could be devoid in the face of some, odd, hair-splitting rhetoric.