[ebiester]

There is no world where a 4 hour commute to work is reasonable. That said, Stockton and Tracy seem like they happen more often at an hour and a half (to San Mateo or San Jose)

But why are we building a world where that is necessary? That's an awful world.

[bombcar]

That world isn’t necessarily until that four hour commute is driving past houses the whole way.

But it isn’t.

I think a big part of the problem is we’ve lost the shitholes; it used to be 20/30 years ago you could be making good money in the city and choose to live in a crappy apartment/house that others of your salary tier wouldn’t look at; that option is mostly gone. The shitholes are infinity dollars a month.

[ebiester]

That's a problem with constrained supply. But nobody is willing to build up south of San Francisco as far as I still understand.