[jacquesm]

Yes, Tanenbaum was right. But it is a hard sell, even today, people just don't seem to get it.

Bluntly: if it isn't secure and correct it shouldn't be used. But companies seem to prefer insecure, incorrect but fast software because they are in competition with other parties and the ones that want to do things right get killed in the market.

[germinalphrase]

Are there other obvious tradeoffs, in addition to speed, to these more secure OS systems vs status quo?

[jacquesm]

Yes, money. Making good software is very expensive.

[bigfatkitten]

And developer experience.

Developers will militate against anything that they perceive to make their life difficult, eg anything that stops them blindly running ‘npm get’ and running arbitary code off the internet.

[anonzzzies]

Well yeah, we had to fix some LLM that broke things at a client; we asked why they didn't sandbox it or whatever and the devs said they tried to use nsjail; could not get their software to work with it, gave up and just let it rip without any constraints because the project had to go live.