[throw4847285]

This is one of those rare cases where I believe young men would benefit from reading more Nietzsche.

"Do you want to live 'according to nature'? O you noble Stoics, what a verbal swindle! Imagine a being like nature - extravagant without limit, indifferent without limit, without purposes and consideration, without pity and justice, simultaneously fruitful, desolate, and unknown - imagine this indifference itself as a power - how could you live in accordance with this indifference? Living - isn't that precisely a will to be something different from what this nature is? Isn't living appraising, preferring, being unjust, being limited, wanting to be different?"

[willmarch]

This just shows that Nietzsche did not understand stoicism on any deep level

[bigbadfeline]

Nietzsche never cared about understanding of anything, he had an agenda, a mission to fulfill. His arguments are always shallow and shifty - the quote provided by throw4847285 is a good illustration of it.

With that said, my words aren't an endorsement of Stoicism, nor am I against it - I know little about it because I don't think it addresses my specific needs.

[recursive]

If that's true, then what hope does anyone else have?

[svat]

This is quoted (and addressed) near the beginning of the article (paragraphs 3 to 6), for what it's worth.

[throw4847285]

Well that's what I get for commenting before reading the article. A nasty habit.

Well now that I've read that part of the article, I can say that it's a pretty lame retort.

[2OEH8eoCRo0]

Sounds Socratic rather than taking a position