[ndsipa_pomu]

> Maybe, but those claims have yet to be shown in the real world.

They surely have as Waymo have a much better safety record than Tesla and that's even with Tesla hiding and obscuring their crash data - probably outright lying about most crashes if Musk has any input to their processes.

The big advantage of Lidar is that it can easily pick out obstructions and that's a good ability for a driver to have, whereas Teslas can get fooled by shadows etc. It seems obvious to me that having cameras and Lidar allows for much better analysis of traffic and pedestrians.

[schiffern]

  >They surely have as Waymo have a much better safety record than Tesla

Tesla is already closing in on Waymo to within a factor of 2[0], and this is less than 6 months in, with Waymo having 125 million autonomous miles and Tesla having under a million. Bet on whichever horse you want, but this trend is not looking good for Waymo.

  >It seems obvious to me 

Oh thank goodness! Fortunately this style of argument has never been wrong before. ;)

[0] https://mashable.com/article/tesla-robotaxis-with-human-safe...

[ndsipa_pomu]

It's amusing that in the article you linked to is precisely the kind of collision that Lidar would have easily prevented.