[quesomaster9000]

Not GLP-1, but moved onto an OMAD diet which is essentially a 23hr daily fast with nothing but neat espresso, cigarettes and water in between - although occasionally I have a small treat or sugary drink.

But now I eat almost exclusively at restaurants and enjoy it, and overall it's cheaper than cooking at home given wastage with many ingredients and desire for variety.

I do eat very simply though, usually south & east asian food.

[drivebyhooting]

How can eating at a restaurant be cheaper than at home? Could you give examples?

[heffer]

My local Indian restaurant offers tiffin service for CAD 250/month. That's enough food for my wife and I for lunch on the 5 out of 7 days of the week included in the price (and we usually have leftover Naan each day that we can snack on in the evenings). I would be hard pressed to walk out of a grocery store in Ontario buying fresh ingredients for that level of variety for 20 days out of the month. We can easily spend more on groceries each month for the 10 days that we do actually cook for ourselves.

Granted, this setup does require that you do like Indian food and don't mind having the bulk of what you eat each month generally be of that cuisine. But in our case the restaurant has enough variety that with both of us having a different dish for each meal there are enough dishes to choose from that we don't have to eat the same thing more than once all week.

With all that said, we haven't even talked about how there is no cooking or cleanup involved either, so there are massive time and convenience benefits as well.

But I can appreciate that not everyone would be satisfied with this.

[quesomaster9000]

Sure, any kind of non-veg protein adds up quickly, especially if you're doing 3 meals a day.

Most local Indian places will do you a solid 1500 calorie meal for £10 if you know what to look for.

Versus, go to supermarket... get stuck in a routine every day of "buying stuff", wanting snacks, meat, and so on adds up quickly to the point where sticking below £10 a day becomes a constant battle. It's the routine and constant food noise that really got to me, and when even a chocolate bar can be 10% of your budget for a day the decision fatigue is real.

So by breaking the routine, sticking to OMAD, I lost weight, had much less decision fatigue, and no constant food noise - that was the major change that saved me a load of money, time & effort.

For example yesterday I found a tiny cantonese place, got wonton soup and some duck, vegetables and watermelon for about £8

[NoLinkToMe]

I don't understand the point. Supermarket food is cheaper than restaurant food, virtually without exception.

But the 'routine of supermarket shopping' creates 'noise' that makes you want to eat more / more often? How does that work.

I tend to go to the supermarket once a week and make this buying decision on a full stomach. I've not bought snacks or soda during this type of shopping since I was a teenager, I simply refuse to buy these things, like cigarettes or alcohol. There is no decision fatigue, the decision was made once and stuck to.

The discipline required is about 30 minutes a week. The rest of the time I'm not at the supermarket, and travelling to the supermarket to buy a snack just isn't worth the trouble. This way sticking to the decision becomes easy: I only shop once a week.

Then I have to cook the food (I only buy ingredients). I'm not a big fan of cooking, so I wouldn't go out of my way to cook more often than I need or want, and overspend in this way.

This seems like a lot less noise or fatigue than going out for food 3 times a day and being presented with ready-made menu's of tens or even more than a hundred food options per day, and making a healthy and budget-friendly decision 21 times a week, on an empty stomach -- there's no way I could ever spend less at restaurants than cooking.

I get eating out, I've been doing it solely for the last months due to travel and I love it. But I'm absolutely not spending less or eating more healthy.

[quesomaster9000]

The key for me really was eating once a day, I got stuck in a bad routine with the shops and alcohol too.

Whereas now I almost exclusively eat set menus, thalis, nasi kandar etc. at small family run places and ask for extra rice, pickles and veg at little to no cost, and the staff end up getting to know me.

So most days it's "Oh... it's 8pm, I should eat now" and I'm done in half an hour without really thinking about it and somebody else handles the cooking, shopping & cleaning - sometimes I just sit down and look at my phone and food turns up.

As a weird benefit - I don't really drink alcohol any more. The craving and even desire is gone.

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Re: food noise, it's irrational craving to fill the time, it's sugar, fats, salt. It is an addiction, a little devil on your shoulder going "IM HUNGRY!!! GO TO SHOP AND CONSUME" even when you're not. It's a choice I've had to make to regain more control, and I understand not everybody has the same relationship or brain so may not experience it the same.

[4ggr0]

> sometimes I just sit down and look at my phone and food turns up.

i mean it's your experience so it must work, maybe it also differs between countries - absolutely no chance that i could order take-out food and get it delivered to me for less money than buying the groceries myself and cooking it at home :O

(at the start of the pandemic it was almost doable because deliveries were way cheaper and everyone started doing it, but nowadays delivery has become pretty expensive. kind of like airbnb, start out cheap and over the years add a couple of bullshit fees).

[quesomaster9000]

Try walking into an small diaspora place during slow hours, paying cash and not being fussy about what you eat, do that 3 days in a row and say "yesterday I was still hungry" (or something to that effect).

I think we're talking apples vs oranges here.

[ragazzina]

> Supermarket food is cheaper than restaurant food, virtually without exception.

Supermarket food is cheaper than sitting at a restaurant. For take-out, I don't see why it couldn't be cheaper considering whatever you buy and do at home, the restaurant does at scale.

[NoLinkToMe]

Sure if you put a cash value on opportunity cost.

In that way hiring a cleaner to come clean your house is cheaper than cleaning yourself, because they're professionals and take less time than you would yourself.

But if you don't pay yourself an hourly wage to cook and clean (which is true for most people), then paying someone else to do it will require you to spend more cash.

[apparent]

Very interesting, it's like the Steve Jobs black turtleneck approach to eating: don't spend any time shopping/preparing/cleaning up, just go to a restaurant once a day. I can see how this would yield a favorable calculation when time and money are taken into account.

Restaurant food is generally much less healthy than food one cooks at home, but perhaps if it's just one meal that's outweighed by the disciplined calorie control.

[socalgal2]

Priced out tacos on Amazon they add up to ~$1.25 per taco. You can go to a taco tuesday deal and get the same price or cheaper, plus free chips and salsa, as just one example.

I don't know if it's true but a friend from Kaohshing told me almost no one cooks at home anymore as the food outside is cheap, convenient, and abundant.

You also have to consider what you're eating. You can buy caviar for home ($$$) and have hot dogs out ($)

And, you have to take into account your time. If it takes you an hour to prepare food vs 10 minutes to get food made for you then there is some value to getting those 50 mins back. Some people enjoy cooking. I do. But if my choices was to hang out with a friend for ~2hrs or say nah I can only meet for ~1hr because I gotta make dinner, I'd value that extra time with my friend more than zero.

[bee_rider]

Others have given specific examples, but in general it seems like a weird thing that eating out is almost always more expensive than cooking in. You’ve got a place run by professionals, and they can prepare the meals in bulk, overall it should be possible to run it cheaper than an individual. But that would be more like a cafeteria type situation than the super-customized experience we usually get…

[zmgsabst]

That’s because home labor and quality often aren’t priced in:

- a chef is faster

- a chef will produce better quality

- but a chef charges for their time

A restaurant often is paying half the price to ingredients and half to overhead; which means you can get it “cheaper” despite paying more for ingredients — since 150% as much on ingredients is still only 75% cost, once you don’t count personal overhead.

You need a lot of efficiency on the professional side to offset that cook time and kitchen space are “free” on the home side of the equation.

[mh2266]

cigarettes are an explicit part of the diet...?

[copx]

Cigarettes surpress appettite. That's why pretty much all models used to smoke.

Fortunately we have much healthier alternatives (like Ozempic) now.

[cthalupa]

Nicotine is a fairly potent appetite suppressant

[quesomaster9000]

Tackle one addiction at a time a wise sage once said to me.