[DustinBrett]

We being who? What is your evidence it's better? The fact all the cars stopped moving when the power went out? The fact they cost WayMore? Show the evidence for your claims. And they have remote operators as proven by the power outage.

[refulgentis]

Apologies, I was unclear with the "i.e." bit I assume, to spell it out: I think after struggling with it over years its time to call it because Waymo has a scaled paid service, no drivers, multiple cities, for 1 year+.

[DustinBrett]

But I told you it wasn't without drivers, so where is the response there or acknowledgment of the fact they all went down?

[refulgentis]

It’s because you spam this thread so much with such aggressive language that it honestly is scary to deal with you.

You’re smart Darren, and so are other people, you should assume I knew the cars have remote backup operators. Again, you’re smart, you also know why that doesn’t mitigate having a scaled robotaxi service vs. nothing

I doubt you’ll chill out but here’s a little behind the scenes peek for you that also directly address what you’re saying: a big turning point for me was getting a job at Google and realizing Elon was talking big game but there’s 100,000 things you gotta do to run a robot taxi service and Tesla was doing none of them. The epiphany came when I saw the windshield wipers for cameras and lidar.

You might note even a platonically ideal robotaxi service would always have capacity for remote operation.

[DustinBrett]

I can't tell if this was suppose to be for me, I am not Darren. The reply was on my thread...

My replies are at the same level as that which I respond to, never aggressive IMO.

And if you "knew" something about the relevant topic and leave it out, that in itself is part of the dishonesty.

So once you got a job at Google then you felt Waymo was better, hmmm.

Tesla has a robot taxi service that in some cases has nobody in the car. Also everyone that owns a Tesla has experienced FSD in which it goes from A to B without being touched which is the same as it driving by itself. A person just went cross country and back with this. So to say Tesla is doing none of the 100,000 things you think are required, I think that says more about what someone at Google thinks is needed vs what is happening on the ground.

I am not against remote operation in some cases, but those suggesting Waymo has solved this need to admit that it relies heavily on them for basic decision, like what to do when the power goes out at intersections.

[imtringued]

This is such a weird take when Elon Musk is still letting his Optimus robots be teleoperated for basically every live demo. If you're lenient with him, it's completely unreasonable to be strict with Waymo, which works autonomously the vast majority of time.

[DustinBrett]

Optimus is early days, and my take isn't against remote operators but pointing out that Waymo relies on them much more than Tesla. You can go from 1 side of the country to the other without ever touching the wheel, something Waymo could not do. And the SF power outage incident showed us that it is actually only autonomous until it isn't, then you have a bunch of cars that can't move and won't and do not.

[Mawr]

Waymo operates without a safety driver. That's a slam dunk right there.

No, some edge case that made the cars fail safely during a power outage doesn't compare. If that's the best you can come up with, you've got nothing.

[DustinBrett]

The safety driver is the remote operator that makes decisions for things as basic as uncontrolled intersections.