[okanat]

I think believing any for-profit business would have any morality is the problem. Especially thanks to the post-80s business conjuncture upheld by the relatively democratic governments. It is all about diminishing responsibilities while increasing profits.

[clickety_clack]

Na, it’s the people. Money attracts people who want money. It’s very hard to argue consistently for quality and ethics against these guys without something slipping through, and once that happens it’s impossible to argue to the business that they should forego a revenue source for ethics reasons. They only have to be convincing once, good engineers have to be convincing every time.

[worik]

> Money attracts people who want money.

Yes.

I think the future lies in organisation's bound by ties other that money

In my home town there is an example: Kai Tahu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ng%C4%81i_Tahu#Trading_enterpr...)

Family based. Start with $170M in the 1990s and now worth billions

The basically aquire and never divest.