[simion314]

Windows is worse , just latest example: a USB WiFi antenna for the PC, on Linux it just works, on Windows you need either to buy a CD drive to install the drivers - not sure if your grandma can buy a cd drive, install it and install drivers. On Linux it just works.

People like buy a computer and use whatever is on it, they can't manage to install windows, the drivers needed for the hardware, I had to setup emails, or other online accounts for this kind of people so give them a preinstalled Linux and they should manage,.

[jama211]

You would never use the cd lol, it would auto install - and if it didn’t you’d download the drivers online though if it’s such a piece of junk as to need that then it’s a junk piece of hardware anyway.

[simion314]

>You would never use the cd lol, it would auto install - and if it didn’t you’d download the drivers online though if it’s such a piece of junk as to need that then it’s a junk piece of hardware anyway.

Sure, sure , so all hardware that does not autoinstall on Windows directly without a driver or internet is junk. AFAIK Windows can't install the correct nvidia or AMD drivers and you need to use special steps to prepare a windows install USB since the installer for some reason starts from the stick but doe's not have the drivers to complete the installation from the stick

[jama211]

Your knowledge needs to be updated then. The latest reinstall of windows I did detected my nvidia card and installed the proper nvidia drivers without me doing anything. I was surprised actually to see that but there you go.

[redeeman]

hardware that doesnt have builtin drivers to windows are a piece of junk? i think you'll find thats most hardware then

[leptons]

You are hilariously wrong. Seriously, what century are you living in? It's been a very long time since I had to install a specific driver for any piece of hardware on Windows, and I go through a lot of hardware. Every piece of hardware I had is automatically installed and configured without any hassle whatsoever.

[simion314]

not OC, as i mentioned in parallel thread, an USB witreless antena. The brand of the antena is not important, what is important is the chip used in it, since same chip is used by many brands , some chap no name brands or some well known brands use same chip and package it in a more expensive looking package.

In Windows it does not recognize it, so I pluged it in Linux and just worked directly, no need to scan for drivers or shit like that, so I run the "lsusb" command in Linux, found the chip ID , searched the internet for a Windows driver from Linux, put it on a USB stick and install it on Windows.

Also I am 100% sure that when I bought my desktop the box had CDs for everything from motherboard, sound, network and video card, I am remember for sure that if I would install the drivers in the wrong order in Windows the OS willb e confused and not detect my sound card)because some cofusion between the Realteck network and sound card I think)

Would be an interesting experiment to get N random PCs and N random non tech people and have them install Windows and Linux on them, have them setup the random hardware in the PC, setup a printer and scanner, connect the phone to it and download photos etc the Linux distro must be a distro targeted for normal people not the extreme dev/game/nerd targetd distros so IMO Kubuntu LTS would be a good choice.

[jama211]

You realise printers are NOTORIOUS for having horrifically bad Linux support, right? Linux would lose that battle 10 times out of 10. Manufacturers have a massive incentive for devices to plug and play on windows and they all basically do.

[simion314]

There is no magic plug and play in Windows, you need to install the giant bundle of crap the printer CD comes with, In Linux it actually works this days, no internet and no CD needed.

[redeeman]

no, you are wrong. Windows is able to install many drivers by downloading it for you, but we talked about bundled IN windows.

[leptons]

No, just no. Across dozens of machines with different hardware configurations, I've never had Windows download a driver. It just doesn't happen. But neither of us can provide any proof, so this comment thread isn't going to go anywhere.

[redeeman]

but lets make it simple then, I obtain a retail copy of windows 11, go and buy the latest nvidia gpu, released AFTER win11 was released, and it has a proper driver without downloading?

edit: or another scenario, i go out and buy a new lenovo or dell or whatever laptop, format the disk, install retail windows, and now windows just has the drivers for all this?

or another scenario, I go and buy motherboard, ram, cpu, gpu, install windows, and it just magically has drivers for all the hardware?

the answer is: it does not, absolutely not.

[redeeman]

and what hardware exactly do you plug in? obviously its not gonna do it even if you plug in 1000 different USB hid mice, other than that, drivers are totally needed for many things, and windows just doesnt come with drivers for remotely all hardware, which is a very very easily provable fact.

[whatevaa]

Nowadays these things contain a hidden storage partition to install a driver.