[selfmodruntime]

> And you are falling into the trap of thinking that if a person is busy deconstructing what used to be one of the larger democracies in the world that their other words are going to be taken at face value, which obviously is not going to happen.

No. I'm identifying this one statement as factual, regardless of the person saying it. Surely then, you would not deny the color of the sun to be yellow just because Pot might have observed it to be that way?

[jacquesm]

That's besides the point: JD Vance and Musk are precisely the wrong entities to have opinions on stuff like this because they are on the wrong side of that line most of the time. Especially Musk, but Vance has his own ulterior motives to berate the EU on anything so regardless of the outcome it will be tainted.

[selfmodruntime]

> JD Vance and Musk are precisely the wrong entities to have opinions on stuff like this because they are on the wrong side of that line most of the time. Especially Musk, but Vance has his own ulterior motives to berate the EU on anything so regardless of the outcome it will be tainted.

People focus on Vance in this issue because they hate him and hate is easy to come by. They ignore that popular Democrats and progressives said the same thing. Hell, even the Atlantic posted a piece about the issue.

[jacquesm]

People focus on Vance because he's the one referenced in the tweet.

[mlrtime]

And most of the online world do not like him, so here we are.

If it was someone else, we'd all be cheering because the person is on a different team.

[jacquesm]

No, I think that's not the reason. Not at all.

[mlrtime]

>they are on the wrong side of that line most of the time.

To you, yes. Which shows your biases.