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by gkoz 158 days ago
A person praising Vance and Musk obviously doesn't value due process, judicial oversight and ultimately decency.
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Please don't make everything into us versus them.

Also that paragraph is very critical as far as praise goes.

> don't make everything into us versus them

Why not? There are real people out there who wish us harm, are we supposed to just take it?

Rejecting the system, everyone in it, and everyone that's willing to interact with it, is not a way to get good outcomes. No don't "just take it" but encouraging one of the good opinions of the vice president is fine.
I disagree, some systems are so bad they need to be rejected outright. As a European, I find asking for the help of Vance and Musk as hostile, even if the person asking is in the right.
He is not asking Vance for help as an individual but the position he has for the country the company is headquartered in. What would you expect? They cant go and ask a random country for help on a complicated geopolitical issue. You are supposed (maybe required) to contact officials from your country and relevant agencies and institutions.

I'm not the biggest fan of the US Administration currently either but if a company asks them for help, they're doing what you're supposed to do, and they shouldn't be labeled as bad or sharing the view of the current administration.

I don't see how a representative of the executive and an oligarch of one country have any say in the legal matters of another. You either comply with the laws of the country you operate in, or you get out, it has nothing to do with the president of the country your HQ is in.
What would you have them do instead? Honest question.
At the very least don't complain about it publicly. Using diplomatic channels I think things like this can quietly go away. But if you make it an issue in the public court of opinion people usually support their own democratically elected government compared to the increasingly hostile foreign regime.
If an actor asked Harvey Weinstein for help, I would think less of them. End of story.
Not ping them?
There are legal avenues in any jurisdiction to contest decisions that you believe are unfair. Running to the (vice-)president and your oligarch friends is just weak and makes you look like the bully.
You are right. But there is a point here that international harmonization and compromise is a solution here. Which is not exactly a strength of an America First policy.
Elon/Thiel/Miller are the de-factory leaders of your country, and Trump and Vance are their puppets.
The "free speech" argument worked in his favor this time, so... Let's see if he still uses this card the next time something inconvenient comes up.
On the other hand, ad hominem arguments are never a mark of intelligent thinking.
I agree. Musk calls for "free speech" while censoring his own AI and manipulating elections. There goes my respect for this CEO.
Maybe the free speech he was thinking of was Grok dressing people in microbikinis. I think that's Elon's favourite free speech too.
And yet this is the only thing people seem to focus on in a discussion about a government agency without any of those attributes.
His argument of “free speech” has zero meaning when “shouting out” JDV and Elon. What a joke of a CEO