[KaiserPro]

> then we'd have safe roads that don't encourage reckless driving.

You mean like speed limits, drivers licenses, seat belts, vehicle fitness and specific police for the roads?

I still can't see a legitimate use for anyone cloning anyone else's voice. Yes, satire and fun, but also a bunch of malicious uses as well. The same goes with non-fingerprinted video gen. Its already having a corrosive effect on public trust. Great memes, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure thats worth it.

[ndriscoll]

Creative work has obvious applications. e.g. AISIS - The Lost Tapes[0] was a sort of Oasis AI tribute album (the songs are all human written and performed, and then the band used a model of Liam Gallagher's mid 90s voice. Liam approved of the album after hearing it, saying he sounded "mega"). Some people have really unique voices and energy, and even the same artist might lose it over time (e.g. 90s vs 00s Oasis), so you could imagine voice cloning becoming just a standard part of media production.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whB21dr2Hlc

[KaiserPro]

So can image gen systems.

As a former VFX person, I know that a couple of shows are testing out how/where it can be used. (currently its still more expensive than trad VFX, unless you are using it to make base models.)

Productivity gains in the VFX industry over the last 20 years has been immense. (ie a mid budget TV show has more, and more complex VFX work than most movies that are 10 years old, and look better.)

But, does that mean we should allow any bad actor to flood the floor with fake clips of whatever agenda they want to push? no. If I as a VFX enthusiast gets fooled by GenAI videos (Picture area done deal, its super hard to stop reliably) then we are super fucked.

[ndriscoll]

You said you can't see a legitimate use, but clearly there are legitimate uses (the "no legitimate use" idea is used to justify bad drug policy for example, so we should be skeptical of it). As to whether we should allow it, I don't see how we have a choice. The models are already out there. Even if they weren't, it becomes cheaper every year to train new ones, and eventually today's training supercomputers will be tomorrow's commodity. The whole idea of AI "fingerprinting" is bad anyway; you don't fingerprint that something is inauthentic. You sign that it is authentic.

[KaiserPro]

> The models are already out there. Even if they weren't, it becomes cheaper every year to train new ones,

Yes, lets just give up as bad actors undermine society, scam everyone and generally profit from us.

> You sign that it is authentic.

Signing means you denote ownership. A signed message means you can prove where it comes from. A service should own the shit it generates.

Which is the point, because if I cannot reliably see what is generated, how is a normal person able to tell. being able to provide a mechanism for the normal person to verify is a reasonable ask.

[ndriscoll]

You put the bad actors in prison, or if they're outside your jurisdiction, and they're harming your citizens, and you're America, you go murder them. This has to be the solution anyway because the technology is already widely available. You can't make everyone in the world delete the models.

Yes signing so the way you show something is authentic. Like when the Hunter Biden email thing happened I didn't understand (well, I did) why the news was pretending we have no way to check whether they're real or whether the laptop was tampered with. It was a gmail account; they're signed by Google. Check the signatures! If that's his email address (presumably easy enough to corroborate), done. Missed opportunity to educate the public about the fact that there's all sorts of infrastructure to prove you made/sent something on a computer.

[KaiserPro]

> You put the bad actors in prison,

how do you detect it?