[n3storm]

Subversion works ok over webdav, it has done it for decades.

Mounting a directory through nfs, smb or ssh and files are downloaded in full before program access them. What you mean? Listing a directory or accessing file properties, like size for example do not need full download.

[112233]

I am confused, what do you mean? What OS forces you to download whole file over NFS or SMB before serving read()? Even SFTP does support reading and writing at an offset.

[n3storm]

If I open a nfs doc with, let's say Libreoffice, will I not download whole file?

On a second thought, I think you are looking at webdav as sysadmins not as developers. Webdav was designed for document authoring, and you cannot author a document, version it, merge other authors changes, track changes without fully controlling resources. Conceptually is much like git needs a local copy.

I can't imagine how to have an editor editing a file and file is changed at any offset at any time by any unknown agent whitouth any type of orchestration.

[rkeene2]

If you open a file with LibreOffice will read the whole thing regardless of whether or not the file is on NFS or not.

The parent comment was stating that if you use the open(2) system call on a WebDAV mounted filesystem, which doesn't perform any read operation, the entire file will be downloaded locally before that system call completes. This is not true for NFS which has more granular access patterns using the READ operation (e.g., READ3) and file locking operations.

It may be the case that you're using an application that isn't LibreOffice on files that aren't as small as documents -- for example if you wanted to watch a video via a remote filesystem. If that filesystem is WebDAV (davfs2) then before the first piece of metadata can be displayed the entire file would be downloaded locally, versus if it was NFS each 4KiB (or whatever your block size is) chunk would be fetched independently.

[theamk]

Libreoffice will likely download the whole file.

But many others clients won't. In particular, any video player will _not_ download entire file before accessing it. And for images, many viewers start showing image before whole thing is downloaded. And to look at zip files, you don't need the whole thing - just index at the end. And for music, you stream data...

Requiring that file is "downloaded in full before program access them" is a pretty bad degradation in a lot of cases. I've used smb and nfs and sshfs and they all let you read any range of file, and start giving the data immediately, even before the full download.

[wbl]

NFS infamously proxies reads and writes. Obviously there is some caching but that just makes the behavior funner.

[shellac]

Are you saying WebDAV doesn't support range requests?

[112233]

That's the beauty of working with WebDAV, also captured vividly in the above article -- any particular server/client combination feels no obligation to try and act like some "standards" prescribe, or make use of facilities available.

I might be wrong, but when I last mounted webdav from windows, it did the same dumb thing too.

[blacklion]

WebDAV as standard? Supports. This particular combination of client and server? Who knows, good luck.

[goodthink]

> Subversion works ok over webdav, it has done it for decades.

Thank you!!!!