[jwblackwell]

With all due respect somebody could launch a version of Discord that's 10x faster tomorrow and nobody would know about it

It's very difficult to unseat those incumbents, especially those with strong network effects.

Plus the people that work in those larger companies are not at the edge of AI coding at all and not motivated to rock the boat

[twak]

you can build it and simply use it in your own office? There is no need to shout about it if the cost of writing software goes to zero (but the value remains non-zero!).

[exographicskip]

Get the feeling with the pending IPO, there might be some challengers to discord that get more traction due to the protracted enshittification of the platform (cf. bluesky)

[hollowturtle]

Totally disagree. One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though.

> People on larger companies are not at the edge of AI coding

False Microsoft is all in with Copilot, and I can't believe the company that created Copilot doesn't use it internally, I'd rather say they should be the ones that would know how to master it! Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc

[throwup238]

> One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though.

Not according to a Zed team member, in these very comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437

[hollowturtle]

They haven't started Zed with vibe coding but rather now iterating over the stable and mature codebase for making changes/fixing bugs, comment is out of topic

[scottyeager]

Do you mean to say Zed wasn't vibe coded? There's actually another comment on this post describing how someone is using Opus 4.5 to work on Zed. Given how forward the AI features are in Zed I'd be surprised if the team wasn't also embracing it internally.

It's a fair question how much AI is accelerating the development of Zed, but I can say that I've been impressed with the speed they are shipping at.

[hollowturtle]

Indeed it wasn't vibe coded, using LLMs to iterate over a mature and well structured codebase is another thing and won't obliterate the existince of software programmers

[PretzelPirate]

> Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc

Why do you assume that Microsoft would focus on building a better (to you) VSCode or less bloated Teams?

I assume they'd use Github Copilot to make a more profitable VSCode and Teams, which doesn't require focusing on speed and bloat.

[hollowturtle]

I'm not assuming, the whole narrative goes like "software development is a solved problem and a sunken cost" Ok if the cost is low why not then? It makes sense to improve your product and strenghten your market position

[PretzelPirate]

> Ok if the cost is low why not then?

There are still budgets that constrain on how much you can achieve.

If Microsoft thinks using AI to add more AI features will be more profitable than increasing performance, the that's where they'll spend their budget.

[hollowturtle]

Sure and keep failing miserably loosing customers that would install Linux where, thanks to Valve, games are emulated and runs better than on Windows

[pluralmonad]

I don't recall if it was an AGENT.md or CLAUDE.md but one of those was definitely in the Zed repo last time I looked at it. Someone is using AI to work on it.

[ciupicri]

Zed fast? No way as I've mentioned last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817