[ErroneousBosh]

Even leaving the big distracting floodlight in the the middle of the dash out of it, I don't like Teslas because I don't think an 80 grand car should feel like a 30 grand car.

If they want to sell cars at that price they need to not feel like a base-spec Skoda.

[tonymet]

my car was $37k out the door (model Y LR) . It was priced just below a Rav 4 where I live.

The features are better than mid tier luxury . Fit and finish is adequate, still better than a Rav 4.

You sound like you're my age (given your preferences, and experience with cars). The car market is very different.

We rented a $35k 2025 Prius and it felt like a 2005 Corolla.

Believe me , Tesla's are a great value.

[ErroneousBosh]

I've driven a Model 3 and frankly it was a rattly plasticky piece of shit.

My mum's 14-year-old Fiat felt more solid.

[tonymet]

not within the past 5 years, then