[calculatte]

I think anyone working with the global talent can tell you there are absolutely no controls around measuring their quality. The skilled talent simply isn't skilled at all. They are willing to engage in kickback schemes. Even the O1 "genius" visa is being given to onlyfans models. Immigration is completely broken and it's by design.

[mattnewton]

This is what I am getting at; the system is bringing skilled immigrants with some unskilled and some abuse, the baby and the bathwater. We should be focused on keeping that skilled immigration flowing, instead all these attempts are presupposing that all immigration is inherently harmful.

[leptons]

Your take only applies to recent developments. For the entirety of the H visa program, it has brought in very valuable talent, which stayed here to generate incredible wealth for the country. "onlyfans" is a recent thing. The kickbacks are a relatively new thing. Sure immigration is broken, but that's what happens when the government is intent on breaking the country.

[seanmcdirmid]

Onlyfans is a recent thing, but the First Lady had an EB-1 Einstein visa when she was posing for…interesting photos.

[Muromec]

You mistyped Epstein visa

[omnimus]

The fact that these visas are abused by people in power is completely different and in the end minor issue. I would bet vast majority of EB-1 are pretty out of the ordinary.

This is just derailing the discussion. Visas for privileged individuals bad = immigration bad.

[calculatte]

Well you are right about one thing. Government is intent on breaking the country. But rampant immigration immigration fraud and abuse has been around for decades.

[_DeadFred_]

The H visa program has been heavily exploited since the 1990s when I started in tech. By recent do you mean 26 years?

[leptons]

Was the visa program being exploited by Onlyfans models and "influencers" in the 1990's? Because that is what is being talked about here.

[_DeadFred_]

Your statements such as

"only applies to recent development" "For the entirety of the H visa program" "is a recent thing. The kickbacks are a relatively new thing."

expand the conversation scope to responding to what you state, and for me to say that in fact what you are claiming is incorrect.

[SilverElfin]

Who are you to claim the talent isn’t skilled at all? Maybe you’re the unskilled, unemployed one who is now asking the rest of us for a protectionist tariff to save your employability. The business owners who are hiring these people are making the choices that are the best for their business, and they’re judging the quality. It’s their money, and they’re betting with it - and confidently too.

But let’s assume you’re right. Even if 90% of them were unskilled, the other 10% is still incredibly valuable for the American economy and taxpayers. And it’s not even a difficult decision. That “loss” is tiny compared to the extreme benefit we receive, that literally NO other country on the planet can replicate. Unless we give it away, like you’re proposing to do.

[itake]

I think the US should prioritize training permanent residence over temporary residents that may take their skills (and wealth) back to their home country.

If the h1b program was a perm residence visa, then your argument holds water. When they return home, they will take their 15 years of experience and offshore their capital.

Whereas if a perm resident had that same job, they would keep their money invested in American businesses (and real estate).

If our goal is to brain drain the world, lets replace the h1b visa program with a program with a clear attainable path to perm residency.

[arjie]

The H1B is dual intent. I was on one and now I’m here on a green card. Totally normal. The H1B has a clear path to application for permanent residency but permanent residency doesn’t have a clear path from application to completion because of the birth country caps.

You have to ask yourself what other implicit objectives you have because as it stands, raising the green card employment-based cap and raising the per-country cap would get you want immediately.

[itake]

I think it would help, but we could still be better.

As an America living in southeast with ~40 years of life to plan for, I face the similar issue of: which country can I feel can be a 'safe' home for me to live in?

If Vietnam had a f1 -> h1b system (and no country caps), I would still not feel safe to call Vietnam my home.

- The h1b is a lottery. I could work my butt off and still just be unlucky.

- H1b is tied to employment. If I lost my job due to economic situations, poor politics, or personal health issues, I have 60d to find a new job or buy airplane tickets to leave.

[calculatte]

Go ahead then. Explain how the US government measures the skills of work visa applicants. Because they just exposed millions are buying fake diplomas in India and getting visas. On the contrary, you sound like an H1B worker defending your position to parasitically drain US resources.

[GOD_Over_Djinn]

Truly the worst part about the h1b invasion is listening to them talk about how Americans are so stupid and lazy and how America would be nothing without them.