[ceejayoz]

> "army ordered civilians to evacuate from warzone so it's genocide" is not as great argument as you think

The trick, though, was to keep doing it, over and over, expanding the area each time, so people never stop having to evacuate, or give up and stay in place to die.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c299pl8j8w7o

"More than three-quarters of Gaza's territory have been designated as evacuation zones by the Israeli military since the war against Hamas began in October, an analysis by BBC Arabic has found."

At a certain point, it becomes plain old ethnic cleansing.

[FunnyUsername]

How could relocation within the same territory be ethnic cleansing? By that logic, I was ethnically cleansed by our fire department due to an approaching wildfire. Ethnic cleaning also wouldn't imply genocide anyway.

[ceejayoz]

> How could relocation within the same territory be ethnic cleansing?

So the Warsaw ghetto wasn't ethnic cleasing because they stayed in Poland?

> By that logic, I was ethnically cleansed by our fire department due to an approaching wildfire.

Did they leave people of certain ethnicities out of the evacuation?

[FunnyUsername]

> So the Warsaw ghetto wasn't ethnic cleasing because they stayed in Poland?

I suppose you have a point, my framing was off. But the IDF asking people to leave a dangerous area is much closer to a fire evacuation than a ghetto where residents are broadly denied freedom of movement.

> Did they leave people of certain ethnicities out of the evacuation?

Neither did. IDF couldn't care less about someone's skin color either, just that they're in a dangerous area. Jews would have been asked to leave just like anyone else, had they not already been ethnically cleansed from Gaza in 2005.

[ceejayoz]

> But the IDF asking people to leave a dangerous area…

"Hey, there's a murderer around here, be careful!" - Jeffrey Dahmer

> IDF couldn't care less about someone's skin color either, just that they're in a dangerous area.

I didn't say skin color.

[FunnyUsername]

How exactly do you expect Israel to fight a war without creating dangerous areas?

The target population they sought to evacuate is just whoever resided in the combat area, which is not an ethnicity.

[ceejayoz]

> How exactly do you expect Israel to fight a war without creating dangerous areas?

Forced displacement is a war crime. 90% of Gazans have been displaced, with up to 3/4 of the area under interdict (and the areas outside that were still bombed quite regularly). War certainly comes with some inherent danger, but beligerents have responsibilities to civilian populations, especially ones in territories they occupy.

> The target population they sought to evacuate is just whoever resided in the combat area, which is not an ethnicity.

This is not an argument made in good faith, and you know it.

[tguvot]

so not genocide ?

"doing it over and over again", you mean war moves around and not restricted to same 1 square kilometer.

and what kind of ethnic cleansing it is, if all population remains in gaza.

the trick is, to shift goalposts. if you bomb city with population: genocide. if you order people to evacuate it's ethnic cleansing.

if you want to see how ethnic cleansing actually looks, i'll suggest to take a look at what azeri did a while ago.

[ceejayoz]

There's no single agreed upon definition. Many of them include ethnic cleansing as a form, using wording like "the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions

> if you want to see how ethnic cleansing actually looks, i'll suggest to take a look at what azeri did a while ago.

Gaza saw 90% displaced, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Nagorno-Karabakh_... says 99%. With 288 deaths, versus at least 60k in Gaza. I'm inclined to see them both as ethnic cleansing? And shitty?

[tguvot]

here we go. you finally used (by mistake, but we won't count this against you) appropriate verb: "displaced". population in gaza is displaced but still in gaza.

While on the other side population of Nagorno Karabakh was ethnically cleansed from Nagorno Karabakh and had to leave to Armenia.

[ceejayoz]

> population in gaza is displaced but still in gaza.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Line_(Gaza)

They have been ethnically cleansed from 53% of the territory thus far.

[tguvot]

a) they were not ethnically cleansed. even article says "displaced". this is what usually called "internally displaced". My relatives in Ukraine are "internally displaced". There was also 500k Israeli that were internally displaced during war.

b) most of cities/population in gaza is west of yellow line

d) CMCC is currently developing protocols for how to let population move east of yellow line (while preventing militants doing so), because this is where international community starts reconstruction efforts and where ISF will be deployed