[rakoo]

> Western-style billionaires do the former, as their wealth is created by providing services to people

I'm sorry but this is just not based on reality. Wealth has always been formed by taking away from those who produce value. No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year. Services aren't provided, they are forced on people who just are not allowed to function without them and must work with and in those services, while billionaires don't produce anything, don't do anything yet get all the money.

[theturtlemoves]

Wealth is formed by honest people trading amongst each other. Most people are like that.

[rakoo]

I'm sorry but this is just too naive. There is no honesty in most people working for a wage that is barely enough to survive, while capital owners don't actually do anything and still receive an inconsiderate amount of money. There is no trading here, just a good old theft of all the produced value with just enough redistribution to buy back the stolen value. No billionaire ever became billionaire by trading anything only by stealing other's work.

[gordian-mind]

What are we doing here? Are you going around calling people naive for not believing in Marxian economics? None of what you describe applies broadly to today's diverse forms of wealths. Your Germinal view of capitalism is not a groundbreaking discovery, if I may.

[rakoo]

You'll have to explain how diverse forms of wealth are formed then, rooted in a scientific analysis of the thing

[gordian-mind]

> No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year.

I'm pretty sure that, except a few off-the-grid hermits, everyone, including the fancy communists at an indie café, is constantly asking for a million new kind of clothes. Denying this reality (and other unpleasant ones?) is perhaps what leads you to untrue conclusions.

[rakoo]

Do you have some data on that ? Because the majority of people inside far-left organizations are just not, and I don't base that on superficial myths but on actually talking with people