[ZeroConcerns]

Interesting choice of tourism destination, but quite cool (no pun intended...) regardless.

One of the most annoying things about working with anything metal at those temperatures, is that your tools will pretty much instantly become stuck to whatever it is you're trying to manipulate, making a propane burner an indispensable addition to your toolbox.

[metalman]

no propane burners. propane freezes solid at minus 60°, and you need heaters to get any flow long before it gets that cold, to the point that you can set propane out in a bucket, which I have some experience with in useing it, to supper cool transmission shafts, so that they shrink, and press fit bearings slip right on. so yes they have propane, but they use it in other, less well known ways.

[testing22321]

Propane freezes long before -60C.

The recent cold snap in the Yukon had smaller tanks useless just past -35c, and bigger ones not doing much past -40c.

We don’t take it on winter adventures for that reason.

[hughdbrown]

I am not understanding this.

Propane does not freeze anywhere near -60C. Wikipedia [1] says it freezes (liquid to solid) below -187C and boils (liquid to gas) above -42C.

Propane is probably unusable as a fuel below -42C because there is no vapor leaving the tank [not within my experience]. That is different from the propane being a solid.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane Melting point −187.7 °C Boiling point −42.25 to −42.04 °C

[sawjet]

It freezes as pressure drops when you try to use it from the tank. Like how a can of air duster gets cold when you spray it.

[testing22321]

I don’t know that it turns to a solid, but it very much doesn’t work past -35C.

Ask anyone that lives in Yukon/Alaska. They’ll tell you.

[ZeroConcerns]

Well, locals called it propane, but I didn't exactly "send it to trace for analysis."

Generally, you (and your toolbox) only spent a few minutes out of every working hour outside. And your toolbox would definitely be room-temperature initially and not cool down to anywhere near ambient temperature while out.

[idiotsecant]

No, that's when you use your propane burner burner to heat up your propane burner.

[mapt]

Maybe butane?

[LeifCarrotson]

Butane stops vaporizing at -1C (31F), isobutane at about -10C (10F). Propane's boiling point is even better, at about -40C/-40F, but it self-cools and doesn't develop the required pressures to run a torch.

I know this because my otherwise dependable camp stove is a 3-season affair. For winter camping, you basically need a white gas system (liquid fueled, manually pressurized or gravity fed).

I suppose I'd reach for an acetylene torch in a cold workshop.

[mapt]

You're right. I misinterpreted my little butane torch's apparent high pressure in relation to my big propane torch.

Canned ethane or ethyne ("acetylene") then.

[netsharc]

Ewan McGregor and his friend Charley Boorman was also in the area, 20 odd years ago, when they did a montorbike trip from London to New York, "The Long Way Round" (Crossing Europe, Mongolia, Russia, Canada and USA): https://youtu.be/6kajsHTy3hA

Man, looking at the map it feels like one of the last wild place on earth. I was wondering if this shipyard is on the Arctic Coast, but not really. If it were, it'll be relevant in the near near future. At the moment it's connected by a river to the Arctic Ocean, it's probably booming with business.

[lostlogin]

> The Long Way Round

It was a neat series, but the start where they whinge about not getting free bikes from their brand of choice was so incredibly entitled and such a turn off.

[ahf8Aithaex7Nai]

That's right. I wonder if the decision-makers at KTM regretted that afterwards.

Addendum: Considering that the GS has been a bestseller ever since. It feels like every other motorcycle enthusiast in Germany rides one. It has been the best-selling motorcycle almost every year since then. In Italy, many also seem to prefer riding GS bikes over Guzzi/Ducati/Aprilia.

[testing22321]

Oh yeah. It’s very commonly accepted in ADV circles that the GS is THE bike of choice because of long way round.

It could, and probably should have been KTM. The GS is stupidly big and heavy.

[kridsdale1]

Similar: During pandemic Ewan and Charlie did an electric bike ride from Argentina to the US and the support crew were in Rivians along with the Rivian CEO or head of engineering or something, as an extended QA run before full production. It was my introduction to the brand and sufficiently impressed me such that I think it’s the only option I’d look at for an EV.

[chihuahua]

What I remember from that show is that they plug in the Rivian to charge, and 12 hours later the charge level has increased by some miniscule amount. At some point they have to bring in a gas-powered support truck with a gas-powered generator to charge various electric vehicles. If anything, it was a commercial against EVs at the time.

It seems that EVs didn't make much sense in the environment of that trip (going through all of South America, where fast chargers were rare at the time)

[odiroot]

GSes are sort of a meme in the motorcycle communities. And not because of their (perceived) popularity.

I'd bet Honda easily outsells BMW in Europe.

I'd take a GS over KTM though.

[ahf8Aithaex7Nai]

> I'd bet Honda easily outsells BMW in Europe.

Probably only if you include motorized two-wheelers with a displacement of <=125cc.

[yobbo]

They offered KTM a 10 hour advertisement series, which would go on to become a classic for motorcycling enthusiasts worldwide. KTM's response was "eh no you could never pull that off, and will make us look bad". It had nothing to do with the cost of the bikes.

[cpursley]

I don’t think it was entitlement, but enthusiasm about brands (hobbyists tend to get that way).

[hadlock]

He was coming off the high of being the "star" of the new Star Wars movies. He was a main character in the story but not The main character. I recall watching these on physical DVD via netflix in ~2008 and wondering why he seemed (what we now casually call) entitled; I'd been watching the series for ~3-4 episodes before it clicked with me that he was one of the actors from star wars, despite being a long time star wars fan. He was definitely entitled, the blow up was centered around KTM not being interested in what a Star Wars actor was doing and not taking him seriously. I distinctly recall seeing him cry, or almost cry on camera.

That said, ignoring that drama, the rest of the series was quite good, when they published "The long way Down" from Scotland to South Africa I jumped on that and watched it as well. Someone else pointed out they did an EV thing from Argentina to... Alaska? with Rivian, I might go look at that too.

[barney54]

And it really want's Ewan that was put out about the KTM rejection--he wanted to ride the BMWs, but Charley Boorman was pissed. Charley had dreamed of the KTMs for years.

[lostlogin]

You’re probably right. It seems far more likely to be left in of they were trying to show brand enthusiasm.

[chihuahua]

But given that McGregor has millions in the bank, he could have bought 3 KTMs and not even noticed the cost. Instead, they insisted that they will only ride bikes that someone gives them for free. Because the poor millionaire Hollywood actor "I was in a Star Wars movie!" couldn't possibly pay for his pet project out of his own pocket. Oh how unfair, those evil oppressors at KTM!

[febusravenga]

Interesting observation and I have to relate - today I've measured ice thickness with classic stainless caliper - -3 celsius was enough for it to immediately glue to ice it was even barely wet.

Working such temperatures must be real hazard to skin, anything metal will glue to it immediately.

[amluto]

Let the metal cool down to the the temperature of the ice and try again. The problem isn’t generally that the ice is sticky per se; the problem is that the surface of the ice will melt if something warm enough touches it and then will freeze again and stick.