[Numerlor]

Nobody is duplicating the macbook experience because Apple is integrating both hardware and os, while others are fighting Windows, and OEMs being horrible at firmware.

LNL should only power throttle when you go to power saver modes, battery life will suffer when you let it boost high on all cores but you're not getting great battery life when doing heavy all core loads either way. Overall MT should be better on Panther lake with the unified architecture, as afaik LNLs main problem was being too expensive so higher end high core count SKUs were served by mobile arrow lake. And we're also getting what seems to be a very good iGPU while AMD's iGPUs outside of Strix Halo are barely worth talking about

ST is about the same as AMD. Apple being ahead is nothing out of the ordinary since their ARM switch, as there's the node advantage, what I mentioned with the OS, and just better architecture as they plainly have the best people at the moment working at it

[aurareturn]

LNL throttles heavily even on the default profile, not just power saver modes.[0]

Meanwhile, Qualcomm's X Elite 1 did not throttle.

Lunar Lake uses TSMC N3 for compute tile. There is no node advantage. Yet, M4 is 42% faster in ST and M5 is 50% faster based on Geekbench 6 ST.

[0]https://www.pcworld.com/article/2463714/tested-intels-lunar-...

[Numerlor]

> LNL throttles heavily even on the default profile, not just power saver modes.

This does also show it not changing in other benchmarks, but I don't have a LNL laptop myself to test things myself, just going off of what people I know tested. It's still also balanced so best performance power plan would I assume push it to use its cores normally - on windows laptops I've owned this could be done with a hotkey.

> Lunar Lake uses TSMC N3 for compute tile. There is no node advantage.

LNL is N3B, Apple is on N3E which is a slight improvement for efficency

> Yet, M4 is 42% faster in ST and M5 is 50% faster based on Geekbench 6 ST.

Like I said they simply have a better architecture at the moment, which also more focused on client that GB benchmarks because their use cases are narrower. If you compare something like optimized SIMD Intel/AMD will come out on top with perf/watt.

And I'm not sure why being behind the market leader would make one lose faith in Intel, their most recent client fuckup was raptor lake instability and I'd say that was handled decently. For now nothing else that'd indicate Windows ARM getting to Apple level battery performance without all of the vertical integration

ETA: looking at things the throttling behaviour seems to be very much OEM dependent, though the tradeoffs will always remain the same

[aurareturn]

  This does also show it not changing in other benchmarks, but I don't have a LNL laptop myself to test things myself, just going off of what people I know tested. It's still also balanced so best performance power plan would I assume push it to use its cores normally - on windows laptops I've owned this could be done with a hotkey.

It literally throttles in every benchmark shown. Some more than others. It throttles even more than the older Intel SoC LNL replaced.

  LNL is N3B, Apple is on N3E which is a slight improvement for efficency

Still the same family. The difference is tiny. Not nearly enough to make up the vast difference between LNL and M4. Note that N3B actually has higher density than N3E.

  Like I said they simply have a better architecture at the moment, which also more focused on client that GB benchmarks because their use cases are narrower. If you compare something like optimized SIMD Intel/AMD will come out on top with perf/watt.

LNL doesn't even have AVX512.