[mk89]

I think nobody in the EU believes that America is the country of freedom and privacy and anonymity. (Boolean and)

I guess what the OP meant is that in EU you might have the police knocking at your door for some reasons you don't have in the USA, not because they don't have data about you, but because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass.

Twitter, Tiktok, etc could never be created in the current EU.

[ben_w]

> because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass.

It exists, but it is being selectively ignored by those in charge. Don't assume it will automatically defend you, especially not pre-emptively:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/17/politics/retired-cop-jail...

https://www.thefire.org/news/lawsuit-fire-challenges-unconst...

[evrenesat]

Since they can operate in EU, I don't see why they can't be made in EU. There are well known disadvantages that prevents emergence of SV style startups, but I'd argue even that is a good thing.

[close04]

> in EU you might have the police knocking at your door for some reasons you don't have in the USA

Is there any significant difference where the law gives you fewer rights in the EU in this regard? Speaking of knocking, it's very unlikely that in the EU some SWAT team will knock down your door because someone anonymously told them you're dangerous, kill you, and suffer no consequences.

> but because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass

Other than the right to have guns, which keeps everyone happy and gives the SWAT team a legitimate reason to go in guns blazing, kill you, and get away with it, I'm having a hard time finding a right that isn't routinely subject to some exception. Guaranteed when the ultimate authority on the constitution is staffed by corrupt yes-men.

[dep_b]

“In the EU” only because some countries might have individual laws, unless you have more information about the EU specifically causing that?

The country with the worst “bad opinion, police comes knocking” is the recently seceded UK.

And I guess Germany has something against nazism?

[PeterStuer]

Netlog was a pretty successful attempt outside the US though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netlog

[happymellon]

Tiktok was also not created in the current US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok

[immibis]

Sure they could. You'd just have to answer subpoenas when the police are trying to identify a user, same as in the USA.

You might get a few more of them. Recently a bunch of French people received jail time for repeatedly posting how the president was a pedophile and his wife was a man. Because, you know, harassment is illegal in many European countries. But the only obligation by the service provider, if asked, would be to delete the posts and give the user's IP address.

The EU Digital Services Act is actually a much wider liability shield than the USA's Section 230. I suggest reading it. ISPs ("mere conduits") have basically absolutely immunity, and caches merely have to ensure they make an effort to delete the cached object when the original object disappears (i.e. they have a reasonable expiry time) to be immune. Social media, since it's a content publisher, has more obligations, of course, but they are also not that onerous and things like automated scanning are only required if your site is big enough to afford them.

[mk89]

The second paragraph is exactly why people don't trust when a platform is based in EU.

I never heard of American presidents going after individuals on Twitter or other platforms. Neither Obama, nor Biden and also not Trump who is receiving so much hatred and bad words, without even touching the assassination attempt. Which is probably the only reason why they threatened to go after people, but that seems to be understandable - and I think that's the line you should not cross in a forum/platform.

The mindset is completely different.

[immibis]

Europeans are generally okay with bullying and harassment being illegal.

[mk89]

We should not mix random unknown person being bullied online with VIPs or politicians being made fun of.

Even during the Roman Republic people could make fun of or heavily insult politicians, and also with ugly things that we could never say today. Even Julius Caesar was mocked heavily (the famous "every woman's man and every man's woman")

...unsurprisingly, this changed when the Republic ended and the Empire started.

And here we're today thinking about our sensitive politicians :)

[iamnothere]

Exactly, the right to mock one’s rulers should be considered fundamental in a modern society. It’s part of the price of power and an important release valve for social tensions.

[immibis]

In a lot of European countries you don't have the right to mock or insult anyone.

[watwut]

USA does not have strong constitutional rights. It has constitutional rights with zero teeth, little to no judicial backing and about thousands convoluted loopholes that ensure they dont apply to you.

And when, rarely, they do apply, you get no restitution or relief.