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by JCattheATM 165 days ago
> Your VM isn't protected from malware that you run in it.

Right, that was the point - so your suggestion that Qubes is a '100% secure OS' is false.
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fsflover 165 days ago
The OS is actually secure, isn't it? As well as all your valuable data. The VM gets compromised, after which you can reset it to its original state. See: https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/how-to-guides/how-to...
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JCattheATM 165 days ago
> The OS is actually secure, isn't it?

Not 100% secure, as was your claim.

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fsflover 165 days ago
It is secure after resetting the Disposable VM. It's impossible to make it better, and I don't even understand what your actual problem is.
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JCattheATM 164 days ago
> It is secure after resetting the Disposable VM.

What a nonsense answer. That's like saying a bank vault is secure after being rebuilt from being broken into. Meaningless.

It's not 100% secure while using it.

> It's impossible to make it better

Far from it. A formally verified codebase and better protections than DAC would be a start.

> I don't even understand what your actual problem is.

You made a BS claim and have an allergy to admitting you were wrong.

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fsflover 164 days ago
> That's like saying a bank vault is secure after being rebuilt from being broken into. Meaningless.

Did you even read my reply? All data are safe unlike in your (unrelated) example. Give me your actual threat model. 100% security never existed and never will. Security through correctness never worked and never will. Compartmentalization is the only viable approach.

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JCattheATM 164 days ago
> All data are safe

This simply isn't the case. Any data in the VM is vulnerable if the VM has a vulnerability allowing exfiltration.

> Give me your actual threat model.

A vulnerability in the VM allowing exfiltration.

> 100% security never existed and never will.

Then why did you suggest Qubes as a 100% secure OS?

Are you now admitting you were wrong to do so?

> Security through correctness never worked and never will.

Security clearly isn't your area of expertise. Security through correctness is indeed a solution to many/most threats.

> Compartmentalization is the only viable approach.

Hardly. It can help, but at most it's a workaround.

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