[jappgar]

Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

This is just grandstanding. Half the people from this lab will go on to work for AI companies.

[daeken]

> Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

175 years of history would disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

[jappgar]

That old saw. Downvote all you want. Adversarial engineering does indeed rely on obscurity, they just don't tell you that.

[daeken]

I've been working in security for more than 20 years and have seen the deleterious effects of security through obscurity first-hand. Why does "adversarial engineering" rely on obscurity?