[dubeye]

awesome, in 2025 I made a few apps for my small business that I have spent hours trawling the web looking for, and I have little coding skills.

Sometimes it feels like I'm living in a different world, reading the scepticism on here about AI.

I'm sure there enterprise cases where it doesn't make sense, but for the your everyday business owner it's amazing what can be done.

maybe it's a failure of imagination but I can't imagine a world where this doesn't impact enterprise in short order

[hatefulheart]

With all due respect you are living in a different world. Not in a bad way, it’s just you haven’t experienced what maintenance on a large complicated code base is like.

[mirsadm]

The worst part of the new wave of vibe coders is their confidence.

[kaffekaka]

Different worlds yes, but they both exist.

[hatefulheart]

Sure, where one is ignorant of the other. That’s not a pro.

[kaffekaka]

Small business owners not being aware of maintenance hell in large org codebases, yes, is that a problem?

I work for a large org and maintenance hell is my job, so I see both sides I think.

[hatefulheart]

I’m a small business owner and solo developer on that business. Let’s just say I’d rather know the costs of my choices upfront. I’m sure there is not one small business owner in tech who would turn their nose up at that.

[dubeye]

Good points. Works both ways though, you are splitting your time between two worlds, and don't have a fully clear view on the costs of bad choices on a small business

to know this you need to know what processes these businesses have been using for the past decade to run real full time business with full time staff. for example, you don't know just how bad the prior systems were, that the self built systems replaced.

with all due respect you don't have all the info to make the calculation on my world. just as I don't have it for yours.

the same tool that helped me build our systems, is not going to be the same tool that helps you maintain your large code base. But my point is, that I'm on the front line of change, and my guess is it's not going to be limited to my size of business. I don't know what your tool will look like, but I'd bet it's coming

[kaffekaka]

Fair enough, that is a good point.

[cyberge99]

A pro is someone who makes money doing their profession.

[hatefulheart]

Pro as in pros and cons, not as in professional.

[williamcotton]

Maybe the problem is large complicated codebases?

[HPsquared]

I think there will be a transition period.

[_o1yi]

No you're absolutely right. One of the things I'm starting to see and I wrote another Hacker News post about this is that more people are starting to come out talking about all the mistakes AI is making even as it gets better. Then You've got people like Karpathy talking about how drastic the landscape is shifting

I've been doing this for 25 years and I can tell you that the AI is a better coder than me, but I know how to use it. I reviewed the code that it puts out and it's better. I'm assuming the developers that are having a hard time with it are just not as experienced with it.

If you think your job is going to stay programmer, I just don't see it. I think you need to start providing value and using coding as just a means to do that, more so than coding being valuable in itself. It's just not as valuable anymore.

[pengaru]

> you're absolutely right.