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by embedding-shape 164 days ago
We absolutely also need full and complete peace on earth and no more wars, but what we need isn't always what is feasible to get in real life. "No-AI proofs" falls into that bucket of "Would be nice to have, but very infeasible to actually create".
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exe34 164 days ago
it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will be great for profits. not so much for privacy.
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embedding-shape 164 days ago
Yet it doesn't actually solve the problem. Whatever technical implementation you can think of, can somehow be misused so you have AI pictures labeled as "Genuinely not AI".

If you do come up with a 100% fool-proof implementation of this, you'll be able to get a lot of money for it, so do give it a try! Many have tried before you, yet it always turns out to be short of impossible. But who knows, maybe there is a way...

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exe34 164 days ago
I didn't say it would work - I said it would be made mandatory and will be used against us.
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embedding-shape 164 days ago
Right, I guess I was still with the original topic/subject:

> We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.

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gray_-_wolf 164 days ago
Out of curiosity, what stops you from taking a photo of a AI generated picture?
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eru 164 days ago
Well, you could make your verified camera do a 3d scan. Then at lest you'd need AI to 3d print a scene or something.
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embedding-shape 164 days ago
How do you securely read this "3D scan" sensor data, being 100% it hasn't been tampered with?
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eru 163 days ago
Use whatever technology you used to make the 2d camera tamperproof.
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exe34 164 days ago
you can tie the sensor to a chip that signs the data as it goes out.
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nojs 164 days ago
The same thing that stops your phone’s Face ID working with a photo of a face, I suppose
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gruez 164 days ago
>it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture.

You can mitigate this by having a pool of devices (eg. 1000) share keys. AFAIK TPM chips and U2F/FIDO keys do this to provide some anonymity while limiting the blast radius if a key does get leaked.

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exe34 164 days ago
Well that's no good for big brother, is it.
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