[AnthOlei]

I switched my parents onto Linux a couple months ago, after my mom kept getting confused between edge and chrome - not being to uninstall edge was the last straw, but the massive amount of adware slowing down her capable-but-old laptop was a close second.

So far so good! Some smaller hiccups, like chrome won’t use dolphin, but I installed rustdesk so I can help them through whatever.

Over Christmas the in-laws were asking about Linux because of windows issues, which was surprising since they’re technologically literate but in a layman sense. I didn’t try to switch them over since the parent experiment is still ongoing but a couple more months of seamless use and I’ll consider it a success.

All this to say I’m very glad for Microsoft leadership!

[incognito124]

My non-technical friend installed linux on her 10yo old laptop by herself after a windows update slowed down her device and rendered it unusable. She said she said she read about it somewhere and that the Ubuntu installation was pretty intuitive.

I was both amazed and proud. She's daily driving Linux now

(to be fair, it's just tv shows and web apps like chatgpt or docs, but still, Linux is now a good-enough alternative, at least anegdotally)

[naishoya]

My late grandfather (passed in 2022 at the age of 104) showed us all how it could be done. In 2014! During one of my infrequent visits to his house; he was complaining about the state of the latest Windows installation on his new laptop, and saw me driving Debian+KDE and asked about switching.

I told him that Ubuntu was probably the best fit for someone changing/doing one's own install. And that was pretty much the extent of the conversation, we went on to talk more about raising beef on land without petrochemical fertilizers, and how he missed the flavor from his youth, circa 1930's vs what he could get in the store today.

A few years later, the next time I was in his living room, his somewhat older - the same - laptop was on his kitchen table with OpenOffice spreadsheets and something he was working on, running the latest Kubuntu flavor. I asked who he had asked to install it; he has a number of technically proficient descendants who live much closer and who visit far more frequently than I did, so I presumed one of my cousins had helped.

He acted a little gruff, told me he had switched to Ubuntu+gnome by reading and following the instructions, and had then decided he tried out the K Desktop and preferred it enough to just make the switch without reinstalling.

Had a bit of fun hearing him explain how he "hadn't been fond of some of the Ubuntu decisions with window managers but liked having both environments installed as somethings were better in K, and other things were better from Gnome."

In thinking about how ready he was, in his 90's, to fully read and follow instructions reminds me that he was from a generation whose automobile user manual came with instructions for adjusting the piston timing as well as how to bleed and adjust brake pressure.

Why does everyone act like switching to Linux from Windows is just too hard for "Kathy and Wayne"? The fact of the matter seems to be we have lost either the _ability_, or the _willingness_, to read-and-follow-directions in the general population. The end result of either is the same.

[eudamoniac]

I've coached a few normies through a Linux installation and there are always 3 things that confuse them and it never improves.

1. Understanding they have to back up their current hard drive somehow. What even is a back up? How do they do it? What do they need to back up? How does it get restored? I tell them to put their important files on a flash drive, but it's not obvious.

2. How to boot into the flash drive with the Linux image on it, and what that even means. The instructions for this are usually sparse because every laptop enters BIOS with a different key and has a different way of choosing the boot device from there.

3. The disk configuration in the installer. They have no idea what to do here. There is usually not a simple default with friendly text to click through. It's impossible to write coherent instructions for this if the user doesn't understand what a drive even is, conceptually.

[HighGoldstein]

#3 is surprising, I don't remember the last time I saw a distro installer without a "just wipe the disk and set up the recommended partitions" option, and most machines usually just have 1 drive.

[alex1138]

There's some funky things like drivers etc but on the whole switching to Linux is probably even easier for Kathy and Wayne (sorry, Alice and Bob) because the updates won't randomly break like MS's do

[barbs]

My Dad, who's well into his 60s, managed to install linux himself on his computer. His kept the windows partition in a dual boot setup just in case, but spends just about all the time in Linux, he loves it.

[b112]

anecdotally?

[incognito124]

Yes, thank you. It's 'c' in English but 'g' in my mother tongue

[b112]

Interesting, I can see how it would sound the same, with a different accent.

[fwipsy]

Native English speaker. I tried saying both out loud and it sounds the same. It's just a glottal stop (?) either way in my accent.

[bigstrat2003]

They should sound different. Not a lot different, but there is normally a noticeable difference between g and c sounds.

[SAI_Peregrinus]

"Hard c" is voiced, "g" is unvoiced.

[resize2996]

I thought they were making fun of my new jersey accent.

[plagiarist]

AFAICT the only thing that should be keeping people from Linux nowadays is gaming (especially VR) and systemd doing dumb shit device naming so that changing the physical location of an unrelated GPU renames your NIC and breaks your internet.

[flipthefrog]

Would have switched years ago if it wasn't for Adobe. Open source equivalents to Photoshop and Lightroom are NOT viable alternatives

[bentcorner]

For casual use I use lightroom web and it's good enough for me, if you haven't tried it, I highly recommend.

I'm sure for some workflows it isn't sufficient but for basic edits and raw development it works quite well.

[flipthefrog]

Yeah, i use online LightRoom for checking images in the darkroom actually, but for serious use, the old desktop app is still king. There are alternatives, like the excellent Capture One, but none available on Linux. I could live without Photoshop, but not Lightroom or similar.

[aruggirello]

Not really equivalent to Lightroom, and not remotely a replacement, but there's Corel AfterShot Pro [1] (source: about 15 years ago, I was one of the (1?) proud Linux users of Bibble 5, its predecessor)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corel_AfterShot_Pro

[jasomill]

I was under the impression that the systemd device naming schemes were created specifically to solve the problem you describe[1].

Are there cases where the old scheme worked well that none of the systemd schemes properly address?

Is the scheme Windows uses to bind configuration to physical network interfaces even documented?

[1] https://systemd.io/PREDICTABLE_INTERFACE_NAMES/

[graynk]

ALVR has been working really well for me on my Quest 3.

there are a lot of other things stopping people from migrating besides gaming though. sure, there are alternatives for professional audio/photo/video editing/producing, but they all mean losing some functionality if you migrate.

[throwaway1389z]

Don't use NIC name for networking. This is a none problem.

[malfist]

It is clearly a problem for them. Just because you do something different doesn't invalidate their pain point

[Gander5739]

A known problem?

[plagiarist]

This is an ignorant response. It is 2026. The OS shouldn't be storing network configuration by nondeterministic device name when I ask the OS's default network management tool to join a wifi network.

[theandrewbailey]

Sometime around 2012, Windows XP started having issues on my parent's PC, so I installed Xubuntu on it (my preferred distro at the time). I told them that "it works like Windows", showed them how to check email, browse the web, play solitare, and shut down. Even the random HP printer + scanner they had worked great! I went back home 2 states away, and expected a call from them to "put it back to what it was", but it never happened. (The closest was Mom wondering why solitare (the gnome-games version) was different, then guided her on how to change the game type to klondike.)

If "it [Xubuntu] works like Windows" offended you, I'd like to point out that normies don't care about how operating system kernels are designed. Normies care about things like a start menu, and that the X in the corner closes programs. The interface is paramount for non-technical users.

A family friend recently called me for advice on her old decrepit laptop. I told her about my work "laptop": a Surface Pro tablet with Linux. I just sold one to her (I work in e-waste recycling), partially on the security and privacy advantages of Linux. Lets see how that works out.

[spuz]

My elderly parents asked me to install Linux on their laptops this Christmas after finally getting sick of the adware on Windows. If Microsoft can make them switch, anyone can.

[owaislone]

Cool. I used to install it on all my family and friends computer when I was a teenager but as I grew older and had less and less time, being the constant tech support guy for everyone I introduced to Linux got very hard so I stopped recommended/installing it. Which distro did you choose for your parents?

[fwipsy]

After my mom's Chromebook died I switched her to Ubuntu + Firefox on a Thinkpad x201 and it's been her daily driver for years. I keep asking to buy her a newer laptop with a bigger screen (800p is pretty painful these days) but she won't let me.

[Fnoord]

I switched my mum to Unix(-like).

Her router is running Linux. I can tell because of the speed of the WLAN alone.

Her STB runs Linux, specifically Android TV (Nvidia Shield TV). Thanks for adding the fantastic ads in the newest Android TV, Google! /s

Her vacuum cleaner runs Linux, I know because I slapped Valetudo on it.

Her NAS runs Linux (DSM), Synology.

Her printer runs Linux (Brother).

Her Raspberry Pi with Home Assistant runs Linux (DietPi).

Her tablet runs macOS variant, iPadOS.

Her smartphone runs macOS variant, iOS.

Her smartwatch will run macOS variant, watchOS.

OK, fair enough. Her laptop! Her laptop still runs Win... wait a sec, she hasn't had a laptop for more than a decade. She's been using that super expensive hardware keyboard for iPad. My mum never even used Windows 10 or 11. Her laptop came with Windows Vista back in the days, it was terribly sluggish.

I don't know which year it is, but it isn't the year of the Windows OS.

And yes, I am super happy with Microsoft using thumb screws like these. Squeeze them tight. The more computers will slip through your fingers, grand moff Nadella.

[bigyabai]

> Her tablet runs macOS variant, iPadOS.

> Her smartphone runs macOS variant, iOS.

> Her smartwatch will run macOS variant, watchOS.

None of these platforms run a variant of macOS, rather a variant of Darwin.

[Marsymars]

I have no particular insight into whether the wikipedia article is correct, but it says "iOS is based on macOS."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS