[tsimionescu]

Not sure why you're putting Iran and North Korea together here, as Iran is hoping for a nuke, while NK already has them, and has for many years. And yes, calls for toppling the brutal NK dictatorship have completely disappeared once that happened - so the theory is extremely soundly proven.

[AlecSchueler]

Because they're trying to get one for the stated reason of it working as a deterrent.

[tsimionescu]

North Korea is not trying to get a nuclear bomb, they've already got nuclear bombs and have for more than 10 years.

This is why I'm confused. They're also not the only examples of dictatorial states getting nuclear bombs - surely the Soviet Union and China are earlier examples of that.

[AlecSchueler]

I was speaking of Iran. You could use other examples of successful nuclear deterrence, yes.