[radu_floricica]

Which is why you don't do it nilly willy. There are plenty of hard decision in the real world, with real consequences when you guess wrong.

But as far as my personal opinion goes, I'd prefer a bit more intervention in the world. We actually created United Nations with this purpose, but it got hobbled by Russia and China's security vetos, and by the arab block making it a "resolution against Israel" machine.

But we never decided as a planet to just leave Sudan-like atrocities to happen without taking action because "sovereignty". That's not a thing that happened, and I'm actually a bit puzzled everybody acts like we did.

[stavros]

Yeah, I guess this was just pretty high on my "willy nilly" scale.

[shaftoe]

I completely agree.

It's worth remembering the UN fought in the Korean war and wasn't was always a place for authoritarian regimes to pass useless resolutions and make noise.

The fact we, as humanity, have allowed so many genocides and slave nations to exist, and to treat them with a measure of equality, is a failing.

And, to be clear, I'm not talking about people I disagree with politically. I'm talking about places and peoples like North Korea and Cambodia and Sudan. There's a ton of shades of gray, but some situations really require a special kind of blindness to pretend are gray.

[int_19h]

It's also worth remembering how the UN (which was really mostly US in practice) fought in the Korean war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#War_crimes

There are very good reasons to avoid that kind of thing. Modern warfare is extremely devastating, so the bar for ethical use of force is extremely high.