[pandaman]

The US does not have "legal after being a certain time in the country by any means" laws like some other countries. It's the opposite: the longer you are in the country illegally, the more penalty you accrue. There had been one-off amnesties when people were indeed given legal status for being in the country illegally long enough, but there were only two of those: in 1929 and 1986.

[maxerickson]

Which has little to do with the procedure we should require when an enforcement officer is presented with a valid state issued id.

[pandaman]

I responded to this:

>If someone is here long enough to obtain a state id, there's no reason to detain them on suspicion of their status having expired

It seems like you believe that if somebody had been long enough in a state to obtain a state id then their status in the country is legal forever. In the few states where I've got id it took about a month to get an id - you need to lease some housing and get two bills. But even if it took 50 years to get a state id it would not change anything - a state id is not a proof of legal status in the country. Immigration officers can detain people on reasonable suspicion, which is the same standard that is needed for a traffic stop.

[maxerickson]

It's right in the quote there. If they have a valid id, suspicion is not enough to continue hassling them.

I guess I believe that we should remove the discretion that you believe the officers have...

[pandaman]

I have not seen this in the article, which is mostly focused on strawmanning the Real ID but even it was there, it's just an opinion. The law does not make any exceptions for having a valid ID as far as I know.

[maxerickson]

Yes, I'm doing the strange thing of talking about what a just, moral society should do rather than interpreting and analyzing the limits of current law.

[pandaman]

A just, moral society, would not let people off with violating its laws for decades so it would not need to hunt them down when its citizens got finally fed up.