[CamperBob2]

Atom bombs also fit: They are basically useless

Let's ask your friendly local Ukrainian refugee about that.

People are having romantic relationships with their chatbots and committing suicide because of them. That is harm.

So the only permissible technologies are those suitable for use by children and the mentally disturbed. I see.

[latexr]

> Let's ask your friendly local Ukrainian refugee about that.

You understand “basically useless” does not mean “entirely useless”, right? That’s why the word “basically” is there.

I know Ukrainian people. I know Ukrainian people who are in attacked cities right now. They are friendly, and all of them would understand my point.

> So the only permissible technologies are those suitable for use by children and the mentally disturbed. I see.

That is a bad faith argument. HN rules ask you to not do that and steel man. It is obvious that is not what I said, “permissible” isn’t part of the argument at all. And if you think one needs to be “mentally disturbed” to be affected, you are high on arrogance and low on empathy and information. There are numerous stories of sane people becoming affected.

https://archive.ph/2025.09.24-025805/https://www.nytimes.com...

[CamperBob2]

Wait'll you hear about Dungeons & Dragons! As if backwards masking in rock and roll music weren't enough.

You're right, I don't have much empathy for bullshit pop-psych as an instrument of motivated reasoning. If ChatGPT can convince you to kill yourself, you weren't mentally healthy to begin with, and something else would have eventually had the same effect on you. Either that, or you were an unsupervised child, victimized not by a chatbot but by your parents. A tragedy either way, but good faith requires us to place the blame where it's actually due.

[latexr]

> Wait'll you hear about Dungeons & Dragons! As if backwards masking in rock and roll music weren't enough.

All ask you again to not engage in bad faith.

> If ChatGPT can convince you to kill yourself, you weren't mentally healthy to begin with, and something else would have eventually had the same effect on you.

That is false.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_barrier#Efficacy

> Research has shown suicidal thinking is often short-lived. Those who attempted suicide from the Golden Gate Bridge and were stopped in the process by a person did not go on to die by suicide by some other means. There are also a variety of examples that show restricting means of suicide have been associated with the overall reduction of it.

https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ195697

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC478945/

[CamperBob2]

So now we've moved on to the topic of nets on bridges. Okey-dokey, then.

You started by comparing ChatGPT to thermonuclear weapons, inferring that it's a useless thing yet also an existential threat to humanity. State your position and desired outcome. You're all over the place here.