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> FT-8 doesn't seem usefully relevant here. The fact that the bandwidth is so low that it can be sampled with a sound card isn't at all helpful when Meshtastic doesn't require a PC.

This is what I meant about adding noise to the argument. This isn't a useful argument. FT8 could be decoded with a microcontroller. But you wouldn't know that. And it only shows your ignorance of the subject.

Meshtastic maximalists are the true believers, throwing away the decades of experience and knowledge because they drank the kool-aid of the leaders that think they are smarter than the folks who have been doing this for the last 40 years.

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Why does this pattern come up so often? Something is promoted ignoring the lessons of the past and claiming not to have those problems, then it's discovered that it does have those problems and that ostriching didn't solve them (surprise) and that ostriching made it even worse than if they'd left a TODO placeholder

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There is some issues with "boomers" and "toxic culture". Ham radio can be pretty toxic -- but you have to find the groups that have the knowledge but don't have the toxicity. There is a stigma to being a Ham these days -- often well deserved I think. You can find lots of youtube videos of toxic hams on the air. Or you know facebook forums.

But those people aren't the experts typically. The experts have their own community, friendships, etc. They'll be super nice, and they might speak up, but they expect to have polite conversation. And if the forum is a shit show, they'll take their expertise elsewhere.